[Suggestion] 1 Job, 2 Roles

[LandricFrey]

Greetings everyone! I'll get right to it.

Samurai Ability: "Tank Stance"

* Toggle Skill
* Substantially increase enmity generation
* STR and VIT values swapped
* Auto Queue as Tank if on
* Cannot toggle off while in Queue or Duty
(If you changed jobs in queue, Tank Stance would still be on when you switched back)

Red Mage Ability: Healer Stance
(Assuming RDM will already come with some White Magic)

* Toggle Skill
* 3-5 Most useful healing skills are unlocked
* 3-5 Most powerful damaging skills are locked
* INT and MND values swapped
* Auto Queue as Healer if on
* Cannot toggle off while in Queue or Duty
(If you changed jobs in queue, Healer Stance would still be on when you switched back)

Addressing drops:

* Increase rate of INT and STR based gear
OR
* Currency only gear system. (You put in the time, you should get the gear)


Your thoughts?

[Jonnycbad]

This has been proposed before. The general consensus is: "No thanks".

[Vexander]

As much as I wouldn't mind being able to heal on a RDM, I have to say no as well. Maybe in a distant expansion in which they give each job a secondary role with a similiar-but-different weapon selection, but right now, I don't think we can hope to see it.

[Kosmos992k]

No thanks. The system as it is creates jobs with specific lore and capability in their role. Making hybrids out of DPS jobs is just another way of allowing the DPS mentality to bleed into other roles.

[Vexander]

No thanks. The system as it is creates jobs with specific lore and capability in their role. Making hybrids out of DPS jobs is just another way of allowing the DPS mentality to bleed into other roles.

Pretty sure the DPS mentality already exists in other roles. Warriors and Scholars are staples in the tanking and healing role due to their ability to effectively DPS.

[Ramath]

I theory, this is great, however, in practice it is abysmal... What happens is you get a DPS version queue up as a healer, just to get faster queues, then refuse to heal as its "not their style." I've seen it happen in other games, and those forums are stuffed to the gills with threads asking for them to be removed.

The simple truth of the matter is that in MMOs, choice and options are a lie and illusion. It's simply better to have a job designed for a specific role and leave it at that.

[Kosmos992k]

Pretty sure the DPS mentality already exists in other roles. Warriors and Scholars are staples in the tanking and healing role due to their ability to effectively DPS.

Indeed, that's why I said "another way" because the bleed over is already a near lethal hemorrhage.

The OPs suggestion would simply further sideline tanks and healers, a thought to which I could give my verdict, but I would likely earn a forum ban for the language.

[Vexander]

I theory, this is great, however, in practice it is abysmal... What happens is you get a DPS version queue up as a healer, just to get faster queues, then refuse to heal as its "not their style." I've seen it happen in other games, and those forums are stuffed to the gills with threads asking for them to be removed.

The simple truth of the matter is that in MMOs, choice and options are a lie and illusion. It's simply better to have a job designed for a specific role and leave it at that.

It doesn't work this way with Summoners and Scholars though. Can't say I've come across Scholars who refuse to heal because it isn't their Style. Which is why I'd prefer this was done with a secondary kind of weapon. Imagine being able to queue as a Warrior with the DPS role while dual-wielding axes? Or as a Dark Knight in the DPS role with a Scythe? In a lot of ways a second weapon option for a second role would balance things out reasonably with player expectation and desire.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It doesn't work this way with Summoners and Scholars though. Can't say I've come across Scholars who refuse to heal because it isn't their Style. Which is why I'd prefer this was done with a secondary kind of weapon. Imagine being able to queue as a Warrior with the DPS role while dual-wielding axes? Or as a Dark Knight in the DPS role with a Scythe? In a lot of ways a second weapon option for a second role would balance things out reasonably with player expectation and desire.

Well, SMN and SCH are 2 different jobs. Hes talking about differentiating them with skills, which is entirely different.

[Averax]

See SMN/SCH as to why they don't want to do something like this...again.

Well, SMN and SCH are 2 different jobs. Hes talking about differentiating them with skills, which is entirely different.

Except not really, he suggested that when they activate the stance, they lose some abilities and gain access to others that fit the role.

Which is essentially the same as switching between SMN/SCH, except they just have to switch a stance and not a soulstone/gear. They said they'd rather not do two jobs (or in this case, a hybrid) tied to a single base again, as it limits what they can do with either of them.