Got kicked from The Aetherochemical Research Facility by mentor

[BigRed5392]

Masekase_Hurricane...
those guides where out for early FFXI, but the thing is, that is not what BigRed5392 is saying. People rarely, rarely did the "look up x on y site" till very late in the game of life even past Abyssea. The thing is, you need to learn when not to judge people. Some people did do that, but it was often seen as rude and it was not hard to find elsewhere.

People should not be required to look up "guides" that means the game fails at explaining it self (unless you are talking about endgame raids, that is the point of them, trying to figure them out on your own) For the lighter raids people can explain them.

WHAT IS EXPECTED! and should be understood is, if you are new at something and feel you need tips, you better damn well say so at the start before the first pull. I was harassed by a new person before as I was attempting to heal + lightly heal carry + explain the fight to this PLD. He was harassing me as I did my best to explain it, often in broken sentences because I had to move and heal. The party was kind enough to kick him for it though.

thank you, this is exactly what I'm trying to convey.

My g/f always says "i'm new" when new to content, will ask "how am i doing" during the run. She gets contradicting remarks. I myself always make mention to being new, but i play smn and I was a end game raiding blm, with a more consistent play time. the only break I took was 3.3 when I lost my chem job, so a 6-8mth break give or take. And a lot changed then.

Also to add, and i shoulda mentioned before, but me and my g/f also played on tonberry a good while. The jp community and NA community handles content differently, pretty much is it night and day differences.
We just transferred to goblin when we got back, so we both are trying to learn the NA community way of things.
before tonberry we was on exclibur, and my g/f had tons of verbal abuse from other players, which is why we moved to tonberry. (she wanted to)

What I'm saying/ suggesting is exactly how the jp plays. They don't fight over who is being lazy, they notice a group problem and try to fix it. Yes they have trolls, but honestly have better attitudes, and are more organised, like in 24 man raids group b tanks, while a and c do adds/mechanics. No fights over tank.

pf is for learning df/rf is for clears is another thing they do.



@Masekase_Hurricane
Ok will say it again, ask friends, ask in Fc, ask in novice before repeating a dungeon,trial or instance you are not sure about.

1) i have no friends on my server outside my g/f. (we are new to it, only played a month on it) and i barely have 2 hrs a day to play

2) My fc is just me and my g/f (she just started the free company, and is working her booty off to completely the story on this character. she is also saving gil for housing so not recruiting yet)

3) i'm not on the novice network for my server. (i didn't have good experiences with this on excalibur or tonberry so opted out for goblin)


from my own experience in the past when I asked a question it was replied with "google it" this was with a few free companies. I had no issues in the past as I was in college earning my chem degree, but i've got no time now to do so.

so with that said what should i do? heck i barely had the time to sek crafting help.. wasted my time gearing up my crafters looking up a guide as to why my weaver wasn't hqing items i mathematically shoulda been hqing.

[Ama_Hamada]

@Venoshock

You can't call people lazy :S



Well I must of been an exception to the rule then. Cause I looked up every guide available to catch up when I joined around COP release. LOL I even bought the old trusty brady guide :S

Like I have pointed out numerous times I wouldn't expect anyone to read a guide for the first time entering a dungeon/trial or instance and that's including endgame i.e savage. I would expect them to ask after the run about any mechanics be it a story dungeon,instance or raid that they still do not understand prior to stepping into it again. If they can't ask anyone, as they are not available then do some research for yourself before going back into the dungeon,trial,instance or raid.

Ok will say it again, ask friends, ask in Fc, ask in novice before repeating a dungeon,trial or instance you are not sure about.

There was a lot of bad and outdated information though esp referencing that .... omg...
Nothing wrong with actually socializing online =/ and the thing was, I did not do that because it was my first mno and did not know what the big deal was with asking people in game for advice, and still do not.

I have no issues with people being new. I have no issues explaining the fight. what I have issues with is people harassing me over how I am explaining something in mid battle after I raised the new person like 3 times or so then telling me they are new and need advice.

Had pretty much the same experience when I first played this game... though with me I was a healer. Unfortunately, you just get people whom are impatient with new people... it left a everlasting scar on me, and nowadays I try to avoid dungeons as much as I can. If I'm required to do a dungeon, I try to bring in people I know whom I know will be patient with me if I mess up. You just have to surround yourself with friendly patient people when you're new. ( Or if you're terrible at the game like me...lol.)

I know the feeling.... my friend is like that and why she "mained" "crafting and gathering"

[bswpayton]

Had pretty much the same experience when I first played this game... though with me I was a healer. Unfortunately, you just get people whom are impatient with new people... it left a everlasting scar on me, and nowadays I try to avoid dungeons as much as I can. If I'm required to do a dungeon, I try to bring in people I know whom I know will be patient with me if I mess up. You just have to surround yourself with friendly patient people when you're new. ( Or if you're terrible at the game like me...lol.)

what kinda stuff does that leave you to do in the game if no dungeons?

[Masekase_Hurricane]

I have no issues with people being new. I have no issues explaining the fight. what I have issues with is people harassing me over how I am explaining something in mid battle after I raised the new person like 3 times or so then telling me they are new and need advice.

I agree that no mentor/player should have any issue with a new player regardless of how many times they die in the party chat. The mentor and other non new members should also offer advice to stop it happening. Although it doesn't mean I am not ripping my hair out over discord chat with my FC. Yes I purposefully stay behind the line on boss fights while I am explaining and do not care if there is a ready check or if the battle starts. If I am not finished explaining then be prepared to fight without the healer.

There was a lot of bad and outdated information though esp referencing that .... omg...

Hey it made a good doorstop when I wanted some air into the room lol

@Masekase_Hurricane
Ok will say it again, ask friends, ask in Fc, ask in novice before repeating a dungeon,trial or instance you are not sure about.

1) i have no friends on my server outside my g/f. (we are new to it, only played a month on it) and i barely have 2 hrs a day to play

2) My fc is just me and my g/f (she just started the free company, and is working her booty off to completely the story on this character. she is also saving gil for housing so not recruiting yet)

3) i'm not on the novice network for my server. (i didn't have good experiences with this on excalibur or tonberry so opted out for goblin)


from my own experience in the past when I asked a question it was replied with "google it" this was with a few free companies. I had no issues in the past as I was in college earning my chem degree, but i've got no time now to do so.

so with that said what should i do? heck i barely had the time to sek crafting help.. wasted my time gearing up my crafters looking up a guide as to why my weaver wasn't hqing items i mathematically shoulda been hqing.

So you are purposefully segregating yourself off and not wanting to ask for any information from anyone. Yet you expect to be given information for everything. Damn my 15 year old son plays it 4 hours a week, yet manages to check guides and ask people for help and advice.

If you find the community so bad then why don't you lead by example and invite new people into your FC. This way you can teach new players to not act in the way you disagree with. A community is about give and take not just take all the time.

As regards to crafting advice I would get all skills up to 15, culinarian to 37 (Steady hand 2 is a godsend) then take them to 50. The cross class skills make it so much easier and burning any of them to 50/60 just makes it more painful on the wallet. I personally would take goldsmith to 54 next to get Makers Mark and then finally take all to 60.

[Ama_Hamada]

what kinda stuff does that leave you to do in the game if no dungeons?

I answered, my friend is the same way. It was more important at 50 though being an early 50gathering and crafter. Her highest battle was 24 and back then like now that is an achievement since a lot of stuff is gated if you do not have a battle job. She really hated hw for making the gating worse.

Anyways she was happy back then for being an early crafter and doing melds / crafting for her fc. Because se just hands you exp though she feels less needed since everyone has it from this too easy exp hand outs.

Even though she started in beta 1.0 she didn't hit 50 till after st was released and she hit 60 battle as a 60 whm a few weeks before 3.3

[Ama_Hamada]

so with that said what should i do? heck i barely had the time to sek crafting help.. wasted my time gearing up my crafters looking up a guide as to why my weaver wasn't hqing items i mathematically shoulda been hqing.

Crafting is trial and error. Outside end crafting it is hard to tell you specific rotations to get 100%. The reason is people's stats very too much to say you do x, y, and z. For example, when my friend was hitting 30s in her crafting, Velveteen cost a lot. So to get around that she just melded her gear for more stats + cheaper.

Shame you are not on our server since my friend is good at making adjustments depending what rng gives her to still have high hq rates. Then again she got 50 back in the day with little leve help due to the gating.

[bardaboo]

@bigred. Someone else basically covered my points so let's focus on this. .
I asked when someone stops being new. You said " over a month" ok.
You can get into expert roulette in under that time.
I'll say again EXPERT roulette.
what about Zerv ex? Is that the cut off?
I've cleared 10 times and have seen some absolutely horrible players.
Am i allowed to say so at that point?
before you respond to that. Read the thread about zerv ex soar and the community.
Tldr it's pages of people like you defending those that don't play very well.
Basically you are saying (under the assumption you don't do savage (however you did say "ran everything they want to run, which basically includes savage in some cases)) anything YOU are running people should be safe from "selfish mentors"
That's selfish.
Thats over 50 dungeons and trials that people are running and deciding not to learn and being protected from "forced advice"
so you protect these people in the dungeons you run then pass them off to raiders.
then they come on the forums and cry and complain about how toxic the raid scene is.
I dare you to go into the zerv ex thread and say " they should know their rotation"
Look. I know i come across like an elitist ass. But honestly expecting someone to care and to try is all I'm looking for. And 80% of the players i come across can't be bothered. And you protect them. But I'M the problem.

[bardaboo]

@Masekase_Hurricane

1) i have no friends on my server outside my g/f. (we are new to it, only played a month on it) and i barely have 2 hrs a day to play


from my own experience in the past when I asked a question it was replied with "google it" this was with a few free companies. I had no issues in the past as I was in college earning my chem degree, but i've got no time now to do so.

so with that said what should i do? heck i barely had the time to sek crafting help.. wasted my time gearing up my crafters looking up a guide as to why my weaver wasn't hqing items i mathematically shoulda been hqing.

So you can spend 2hours on here using the argument "i have no time to play" but cant use this time to look stuff up?

[ZioSerpe]

Not everyone has time to look up guides..

So you have 20 minutes or more to run a dungeon blind but you don't have time to watch a minute that is usually around 5 to 6 minutes and will make your dungeon run faster.
LOGIX

[LalafellDown]

The other 2 players seemed to agree with the mentors vote kick. So I don't see whats the problem. You also have to consider the other players with you. You're part of the team and are expected to perform at the highest level. There is no "my needs," you're new, so what. How many dungeons have you done before The Aetherochemical Research Facility? They all play out the same. Since you were a tank I'm guessing someone was healing and they mostly had no problems healing you. If the teams tells you to pull more then do it.