Got kicked from The Aetherochemical Research Facility by mentor

[BigRed5392]

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people like you shouldn't be mentors.

level 60 is not hard to get and doesn't make you an expert. More often then not people just go "google it" providing no links. But newsflash though. Not everyone has a pc and/or smartphone. My g/f played this since 2.0 on the ps3 only recently moved to ps4 because i bought her 1. Her household didn't have a pc and she couldn't get 1.

She was insulted at every turn, even for asking for help/tips to play better. She mains tank and had a ton of abuse from other players. She always admits mistakes, and tries not to repeat them.

Everytime she asked the fc she was in, they couldn't be bothered to help just said "google it" and hate to say it, googling this on ff14 is a pain in the ass. So much to sift through, and most if not all is out of date. Not all guides are done well either. Some can leave people confused, while others are long winded.

Then you have trolling players on reddit who act like know it alls but are clueless. Like 1 guy commented on 1 of my g/fs posts, stating drk doesn't use mp for unleash...

She has had issues of mp starving from whms using holy right after she pops blood price. She only pops it at 50% mp or lower.

She even stated ff11 had a better community. People took time to explain things, yet this community calls you lazy.

asking for help should be encouraged not insulted.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

people like you shouldn't be mentors.

level 60 is not hard to get and doesn't make you an expert. More often then not people just go "google it" providing no links. But newsflash though. Not everyone has a pc and/or smartphone. My g/f played this since 2.0 on the ps3 only recently moved to ps4 because i bought her 1. Her household didn't have a pc and she couldn't get 1.

She was insulted at every turn, even for asking for help/tips to play better. She mains tank and had a ton of abuse from other players. She always admits mistakes, and tries not to repeat them.

Everytime she asked the fc she was in, they couldn't be bothered to help just said "google it" and hate to say it, googling this on ff14 is a pain in the ass. So much to sift through, and most if not all is out of date. Not all guides are done well either. Some can leave people confused, while others are long winded.

Playstation also has access to google. What is stopping you spending 10 mins to look up things online after you log off? What is stopping a player reading their action descriptions help text? Also I never said just google it, I said ask friends etc before entering a dungeon. New mechanics fair enough new players should ask for tips but failing on the same things over and over again is what I am on about.

Also I never say just google it, I have many guides bookmarked for many various things I would post one and say exactly where you find the information. If the question was quick I would answer it, although if they was after a detailed answer then I would point them in the direction of a guide and explained why they need it.

Majority of alex story raids I have macros for the full fights explaining the tactics as well as well as for Void,Weeping and Dun Scaith. Other fights like coil I have them saved in word to copy and paste to a macro as needed. Same with Ex fights and savage.


By the looks of it you have just picked the odd few words from my post and tried to pick an argument.

As for regards to people like me shouldn't be mentors. I am often one of the most vocal players in our novice network, I will give players advice on rotations, help with dungeons and explain any mechanics they are not sure about if I spot a problem. I will also ask them prior to going in an instance if they want me to explain or go in blind.

Not everyone wants every mechanic explained to them but are able to adapt fast as the fight goes on. Also in my FC we regularly use Discord and I have talked multiple players through Ex trials new and old,raids and dungeons. We never use videos and go into all content blind as a free company. We talk over what went wrong between us and work out a fix.

So yes if that makes me a s@#t mentor then so be it.

[Kaethra]

I just came back after a year or so (stopped playing in 2.1 and again right before 3.0, so I missed the entire expansion), and just reached level 60. I did this dungeon and had a different experience, as a healer.

First run was weird. And I mean absolutely weird. Tank goes up and pulls everything to the first door. Not a problem, I'm new to the expansion, but I've been healing for a minute between WoW, ESO, and some other MMOs recently. I can handle my role with a crazy tank.

Freaking takes forever. I'm getting low on MP, tank isn't getting above 50% hp because I'm spamming cures for freecure procs. Shroud of Saints and Assize are on cooldown, and I'm about to search my inventory for a random elixir. And that's when I notice one of the DPS is greyed out, the other is has red lines next to their name. Yup.. both DPS DC'd right off the bat. Ok... screw that.. cleric stance and start stone 3ing as the monsters were nearly dead and the tank activated a cooldown.

Tank and I decide to disband the group. I suppose he didn't want to do ARF. So whatever I queue again. Get another group. Yeah this dungeon is a bit smoother without duoing it. Anyway.. my experience in this group was rather good. They knew I was new and thought I did pretty well. I did research the fights a bit so I had an advantage I suppose over most people. But even then.. I have to ask. Why not give a quick heads up on the fights even if the newbies read/watched a guide on the fight?

Lets be honest here. Those guides are outdated. Like for the dungeon listed in this thread. That came out in 3.0 on HW's release. The tactics and strats have changed since those guides were written and posted. Like how Praetorium's strat's changed from 2.0 to 2.4 and now. You can't say 'google it'. Google's obsolete. I like to think I'm pretty savvy with playing this game. I'm adaptable, and frequently my friends will run 4 man dungeons together and figure out the strats ourselves. Usually getting them on the first try, or second definitely if it goes to that.

But I also know I'm in a top tier when it comes to MMORPGs. I don't expect a random stranger to be that flexible. I've played video games for over 30 years, online for over 20, and MMOs for over 15. That's not average. I know this. I'd think that everyone else would realize that as well. So when I get a newer player in the group my first reaction is 'awesome, better rewards,' and my second reaction is to give them a quick tip about whatever we're doing. I don't go into a full explanation of the fight. They don't need that, and I don't believe they're there to be patronized anyway.

If they're tanking, I let them take their own pace. That's the job of tanking. You set the pace. I'm gonna let them set the pace. Within reason, don't need 10 minutes between boss fights. But if they're sizing up the next pull, I'm gonna let them get their bearings. Let them analyze the situation, that way they know how it plays out. If as a healer or DPS, and pull for them.. they don't learn from their own pulls. They don't learn the trash in that section of the dungeon, I'm not doing them, myself, or the next group they group with any favors.

If they're healing, I'm not pulling five groups right off the bat to test their MP. Let them learn each pull and if they've got a grasp, maybe get two groups. Even trash has unique attacks, pulling furball of them doesn't allow a healer to learn the attacks and see what's causing esunable attacks or high damage stuff that needs a preemptive spell of some sort.

Kinda the same with DPS, if you pull a furball like above, they're instinctively going to AOE. Why not? 20 mobs makes for great numbers. But they also don't learn which targets need to be prioritized. Sometimes there's mobs that stun, silence, or whatever. Getting a healer silenced in a 20 mob pull is a recipe for disaster. Seen this happen a few times. There's Vet DPS that probably don't know which mobs silence in the 55, 57, and 59 dungeons. And if you didn't know there was silence in those dungeons, that kinda proves my point a bit.

This isn't to say you need to go painfully slow. Just be aware of the newbies and take it easy and let them take it in, while still providing for a quick and expedient run. The less mistakes they make, the smoother the run goes, the smoother it goes the faster. We all want fast runs. We really do. Some are farming, some of us just want to get done with a dungeon to fit in another. But wipes are counter to that. Educating newbies prevents wipes. So educating and allowing them to learn allows for faster runs.

Its really an easy to do win/win situation for newbies and vets.

[Adire]

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I've been tired and missed mechanics before. But it doesn't happen often and dungeon mechanics at least are for the most part easy enough to do in your sleep if you put forth some effort. Some people mess up more than they don't mess up. So stop trying to change the subject please. And again, I am not really talking about new players fresh into a dungeon or class. But they more than anyone else should still prepare so they are not dead weight. Mistakes are fine, being lost in an ocean is not.

I'll motivate people who are doing far more terrible than they should be by playing with the same level of care they're playing with: none. AFK autoattacking is my new thing for when people are playing abysmally.

I wholeheartedly suggest that no one else carry these players either.

[Callinon]

Not easy to get to 60 when you are kicked from party multiple times for not pulling your weight.

There's a bunch wrong here but I'd like to focus on this...

Are you seriously kicking healers from your party for not using cleric stance? Are you kicking tanks for not stance dancing in dungeons? Because don't do that.

Should healers contribute dps if they have literally nothing better to do? Sure, if they're comfortable with that idea. Cleric Stance has a 5 second deadzone where you can't get rid of it after activation. If the healer isn't super confident that they'll be able to spend 2 or 3 GCDs essentially unable to heal, then I'd rather they just didn't bother. Healer dps in any context that isn't a savage raid, is just a bonus. It isn't essential.

In dungeons, dropping your tank stance will increase your damage very slightly and increase your risk of dying quite significantly. In 8-man duties where you have an off-tank and 2 healers, it's definitely a good idea to do this because the risk is much less. But in 4-man? Why even bother? Once again, you don't need the extra dps to clear the dungeon, and it puts your party at risk for no good reason.

[Blonde_Huntress]

Wow, that's very surprising indeed. I was thankfully never kicked from a story dungeon, but I know that's got to be very frustrating. Particularly so when you actually ASK for advice and you have a "mentor" in the party.

This is one of those times where it really helps to have a good FC. I could never do mine enough justice in praise. They have provided me with so much information, gear, dungeon/raid tips, job tips, etc. The core are all mentors, and they definitely bring respect to that title.

[Avenger]

I think it is too bad when the game tells you to use duty finder for story quests and dungeons that you have never done before and then you run into so-called "mentors" who try to rush you far beyond what you are comfortable with – not to mention the horror of story dungeons like CM which thankfully SE has learned are poison in DF as it currently exists!

Personally I like doing dungeons and trials for the first time with friends rather than randos from DF. Even queuing with one or two other people you know is better and two can prevent vote kick in light party.

On the other hand if you have a bad DF experience I think you can block the bad players in your contacts and hopefully never see them again. And the good ones you can party with again thanks to cross world PF. PF is also good because you can specify slow and steady, watching all cutscenes, etc., and also people can see your PF even if they weren't planning on queuing for it in DF - they might just join for fun!

[Avenger]

Regarding "know the fight" before your first time and "just google it" - I think it is perfectly OK for people to actually play the game and learn by doing. Having to google it is annoying, breaks immersion, and spoils a lot of the fun for people who enjoy surprises and like to experience things with a fresh perspective, at least for the first try. I encourage everyone to be understanding and patient with those pesky noobs who also happen to be giving you that sweet bonus and second chance points, especially sprouts that we want to subscribe and keep playing, or veteran players who are trying out a new role!

[BigRed5392]

Playstation also has access to google. What is stopping you spending 10 mins to look up things online after you log off? What is stopping a player reading their action descriptions help text? Also I never said just google it, I said ask friends etc before entering a dungeon. New mechanics fair enough new players should ask for tips but failing on the same things over and over again is what I am on about.

Also I never say just google it, I have many guides bookmarked for many various things I would post one and say exactly where you find the information. If the question was quick I would answer it, although if they was after a detailed answer then I would point them in the direction of a guide and explained why they need it.

Majority of alex story raids I have macros for the full fights explaining the tactics as well as well as for Void,Weeping and Dun Scaith. Other fights like coil I have them saved in word to copy and paste to a macro as needed. Same with Ex fights and savage.


By the looks of it you have just picked the odd few words from my post and tried to pick an argument.

As for regards to people like me shouldn't be mentors. I am often one of the most vocal players in our novice network, I will give players advice on rotations, help with dungeons and explain any mechanics they are not sure about if I spot a problem. I will also ask them prior to going in an instance if they want me to explain or go in blind.

Not everyone wants every mechanic explained to them but are able to adapt fast as the fight goes on. Also in my FC we regularly use Discord and I have talked multiple players through Ex trials new and old,raids and dungeons. We never use videos and go into all content blind as a free company. We talk over what went wrong between us and work out a fix.

So yes if that makes me a s@#t mentor then so be it.

the ps3/ps4 brower sucks, i don't recommend using it. ever. Stuff doesn't load well, or not at all. Should try this yourself. Also no it doesn't use google but internet explorer. (ps3)

being active =/= having a good attitude. My g/f been met with many people who will simply say "google it or your lazy" if ranges from basic tank questions like "what buffs to use at pull" to asking how often should she use unleash. Basic stuff. I help her out the best i can, but I'm no main tank.

And most fc's she been in just treat her like garbage to the point where she started one for me and her.

having a good attitude is what make mentors good mentors, and you showcase a poor one. You do gaslight tatics as a defense too which is kinda shameful.

Kicking fresh players, or thinking level 60 people know what to do right at 60 is stupid 1-50 and 50-60 play completely different, more so when you got arrogant raid damage players, fouling up leveling dungeon runs. Saw my gf tank a dungeon. And a sch kept running ahead to pulling mobs in copperbell mines, this is when we just got back after 8 mnth break. She was rusty and told the group at start. The sch picked a fight with her over it stating "who cares it just copperbell".

the person had mentor crown to boot too. Was pretty sad thing to see, dude wouldn't let her do her role, and mocking her. All she said was "mind letting me pull?"


She had this happen over the course of all her tank leveling over multiple characters. All she wants is to be a good tank, yet seems to run into people who just mock and judge her, or treat her like crap. She try her hardest not to let anxiety she has from ASD get the better of her.

Her first day back, she even got kicked from snowcloak for not large pulling, she told the group she just got back and wasn't comfortable in doing large pulls. The people she was with tried to brute force it, and she did her best to tank. but ended up a wipe. They booted her.

Again this is stuff she had to deal with over 4 characters, how can a player learn in that type of environment?

No guide preps you for that. No skill text preps you for that. Hall of novice barely preps you with that.

People need to learn how to work as a team.

the "you pull you tank" goes against this.
the brute force large pulls goes against this.
mocking people doesn't help
nor is kicking people for not playing your way.

all that does is prove how much this community act like spoiled brats. I'm happy not everyone is like this, but still it shouldn't happen.

[Avenger]

I guess another thing to say is that I have seen a lot of mediocre or seemingly lazy/semi afk play by mentors, but then again maybe they are having a bad day, or distracted by children, or sick, or tired, or they have an injury, or disability, or some other issue you don't know about – any of which might be affecting their game play – so it is possible that they are not being malicious but just have something else going on, just like any other players. Unfortunately I don't think there is a way to turn off the mentor icon is there? But even mentors who are playing poorly should still try to be patient or helpful if possible.