Got kicked from The Aetherochemical Research Facility by mentor

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Some things a mentor should not have to explain or ask in a dungeon at 60.
- Your rotation (research your class, ask friends, google, ask in novice, ask in FC)
- Avoid AOES
- Why are you missing X action at 60?
- Turn when you see the red eye
- kill adds when they spawn during a fight (People will soon say ignore if they are irrelevant)
- Large scale pulls or at the very least, others seeing you increase your pull size throughout the dungeon.
- Wrong gear for class or over inflated ilvl
- Why are you not contributing more via dps stance or clerics?
- Share damage marker if you have already come across it i.e Dun Scaith when you have already seen it in Weeping and Void.

I'm sorry but if any of these are causing wipes etc then be prepared to potentially get kicked.

Some irrelevant to Aetherchemical but still happens all the time in other dungeons/trials.

As for the community being cancer I think it is very mild compared to other places. Although I never found Asura bad on FFXI even though it was supposed to be the cesspit server.

[Viki]

[QUOTE=Adire;4056210]That's why people should take things into their own hands and look up guides and such, and practice outside of dungeons if they're a dps. If people don't have the desire to look up guides on how to not be complete dead weight in a dungeon, these same people likely wouldn't do much better even if the game taught them.

Normally I try to carry bad players, but I'm almost at the point where I'm ready to just afk auto attack and enjoy some Youtube in the meantime whenever one or both of the dps are terrible, the healer is standing around doing nothing 90% of the time, or the tank is pulling every pack slowly even when small ones are clearly too easy for them.[/QUOTE

Half the players dont do this. They just expect to do their own thing and people SAY OK THATS GOOD.

[Adire]

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You clearly didn't read my post(s) as I explained learning through experience is the most quality way to learn. But watching/reading guides is being prepared. You owe that to the other people in your group at least.

And I really don't think avoiding guides and "adapting" is good advice considering how many times people wipe even after guides and running content for the millionth time and how many level 60s lack a basic understanding of their role/job or simply don't care. You can be prepared and still be adaptive anyway.

[LalaRu]

I dont like the duty finder recently. People aren't as fun, or kind as they were before. I've noticed a big change in people lately.

Yep, something happened. Time ago the jerks were just happening every now and then, but today I get them nine times out of ten.
It maybe toxicity spreading and good people become toxic to be "accepted"? Who knows.

[Misutoraru]

Yep, something happened. Time ago the jerks were just happening every now and then, but today I get them nine times out of ten.
It maybe toxicity spreading and good people become toxic to be "accepted"? Who knows.

DF isnt that abd in JP or EU datac entre
there are @ss in JP/EU but usually encounter 1 out of 100
usually i found in DF ppl are considerate, e.g. the tank is new to the dung, dont see ppl force him/her to do big pull, or when heal is new to the dung i see the tank will do less pull to reduce stress
what toxicated is the forum, the in game community generally are good

[addz3]

So hum don't wanna be rude but you seems to be the kind of person i don't like much in DF.

Ok you're new to something, i can understand you wanna do it slowly and safely to achieve the run.
But why wouldn't you try what people are telling you to do ? Just give it a try, ain't working ? Go back slow and small pulls, no problem.

If im healing those dungeons and my tank ain't pull much i would, politely, ask him to do so.
Why ? Because im confident enough in my abilities to keep the party alive and that will just faster the run for everyone, you included.

LOL! Here's your douche player material right here. Welcome to the new FFXIV community. Basically 'I don't want you to play your job the way you want to, I want you to play it like I want you to'. Why? Because that's what every other person does. Superb! What a class act....

[Karathix]

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- Your rotation (research your class, ask friends, google, ask in novice, ask in FC)
so 3/5 of those equate to 'ask a mentor' the other two shouldn't be mandatory to play a game adequately
- Why are you missing X action at 60?
Once again for cross classes they're never really explained well, maybe no one in dungeons up to 60 told them they should get these cross class skills, because they got shitty mentors before now.
- Large scale pulls or at the very least, others seeing you increase your pull size throughout the dungeon.
an attempt at maybe, but for your first run not a huge issue
- Why are you not contributing more via dps stance or clerics?
again, very easy to get to 60 without having to use either of these (well tank DPS stances anyway, cleric i'll give you as it's explained in HotN)

Removed stuff i agree with cos char limit, but if you don't want to help people improve, why even be a mentor?

[Khemorex]

You clearly didn't read my post(s) as I explained learning through experience is the most quality way to learn. But watching/reading guides is being prepared. You owe that to the other people in your group at least.

And I really don't think avoiding guides and "adapting" is good advice considering how many times people wipe even after guides and running content for the millionth time and how many level 60s lack a basic understanding of their role/job or simply don't care. You can be prepared and still be adaptive anyway.

u dont say :P

maybe u never heard of stuff like : being tired and missing a mechanic XD

yes yes i know its annoying if someone isnt concentrated coz of rl issues , i guess u must be a robot and never make mistakes urself :P
or when u get a new person coz u have done the dungeon 9999 times alrdy , but it still dosnt give u the right , to make some new player spoil themselfs with guides ^^

still the worst u can do is to freak out , its always better to either shut up or motivate people :P

[Ama_Hamada]

DF isnt that abd in JP or EU datac entre
there are @ss in JP/EU but usually encounter 1 out of 100
usually i found in DF ppl are considerate, e.g. the tank is new to the dung, dont see ppl force him/her to do big pull, or when heal is new to the dung i see the tank will do lesspull to reduce stress
what toxicated is the forum, the in game community generally are good

Back to back runs in The Aetherochemical Research Facility for my friend where insanely toxic to her by 2 different premade groups. One was bashing her for healing because the let regen drop for a second. For both, both had weak Aoe damage. One had a MCH refusing to use AoE while the other had a bard undergeared for megapulls. She simply asked to have smaller pulls at first, they refused and asked her to explain why (both runs) so when she did they jumped on her ( the brd is ok you should deal with the healing) while the other was mocking her that so in so had a 275 relic all because the MCH will not aoe? it did not make sense and she pointed that out as well to them "having a 275 relic does not mean you know how to play MCH" Then of course they left (and during the run the war spoke for the MCH and the MCH never said a word, made her feel like it was some duel box) without her explaining how she hot shot >Grenado Shot till tp is 500, use Invigorate, use a few more then spread shot if the stuff seems like ill be alive for too long because of tp costs.

It is annoying to see mnk and .. i guess mch now? never aoe because they think it is useless. I do get needing to rotate every once in a while depending on tp but... never using it?????

In the end why harass a healer when they simply request to pull a bit less????? the game community has been insanely toxic as of late, esp on the weekends.

I think it was about a week ago? not sure but pretty recent, where my friend was on mch on Alexander and the tank MPKed her. The reason they did this to her is because earlier, they kept feign pulling after a ready check (look like they go pull it then back off) then finally when it truly looked like they where gonna pull, she starts hitting her buffs like normal, then her rotation. They let her die and yelled at her for pulling, wiped due to lack of DPS on the DPS check, leading to her waiting to kick that tank but couldn't because the 5 mins did not expire yet. So in the next attempt she got the stack marker, went near them as best she could near alex, only her other friend stacked with her, then the tank turned it on the one being griefed and MPKed her.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

- Your rotation (research your class, ask friends, google, ask in novice, ask in FC)
so 3/5 of those equate to 'ask a mentor' the other two shouldn't be mandatory to play a game adequately

Like I said you should research before going into a dungeon. Now if someone stops and says you should be doing it this way in a dungeon, then take it on board and go look it up after.

- Why are you missing X action at 60?
Once again for cross classes they're never really explained well, maybe no one in dungeons up to 60 told them they should get these cross class skills, because they got shitty mentors before now.

Same again research, you say it doesn't explain that you need X cross class skills, yet you needed one of those classes to 15 to unlock the job. I'm sorry but that is a clue, so again look up what the skills do, ask friends etc prior to going in to a dungeon.

Also not all mentors have every class levelled so maybe they are not aware what cross class skills someone needs in a party. Yet there is plenty of mentors with the same class as them, I know a high amount will come and check your rotation if you asked them (well on my server anyway).

- Large scale pulls or at the very least, others seeing you increase your pull size throughout the dungeon.
an attempt at maybe, but for your first run not a huge issue

Majority of dungeons are the same format. Yes some trash may have a few extra aoe's and hit a bit harder, but how will you know what you or your healer can handle without trying? Also it prepares you for things like savage when you are getting hit like a truck as a tank or dealing with high amounts of damage as a healer.

- Why are you not contributing more via dps stance or clerics?
again, very easy to get to 60 without having to use either of these (well tank DPS stances anyway, cleric i'll give you as it's explained in HotN)

Not easy to get to 60 when you are kicked from party multiple times for not pulling your weight.

Removed stuff i agree with cos char limit, but if you don't want to help people improve, why even be a mentor?

There's a big difference between helping people to improve and doing all the leg work for them. Mentors should point players in the right direction and offer some advice. They should not have to read their skills for them, tell them every gear upgrade, avoid same aoe mechanics as the last 30 dungeons.

give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime