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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    Are you aware of what the words "forced" and "have to" mean?
    Do you?

    Here's a fun fact: You can only "force" somebody to do something by holding them at gunpoint if they "want" to live prior. If they want to die instead, you're not going to have any success with that method, they're happily gonna say:"No, eff you."

    In order for Need to arise, there has to be a prior "Want". IF you want X, THEN you need/have to/are forced to do Y, because Y is necessary to get X. If you don't want X in the first place, you can screw Y.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    Do you?

    Here's a fun fact: You can only "force" somebody to do something by holding them at gunpoint if they "want" to live prior. If they want to die instead, you're not going to have any success with that method, they're happily gonna say:"No, eff you."

    In order for Need to arise, there has to be a prior "Want". IF you want X, THEN you need/have to/are forced to do Y, because Y is necessary to get X. If you don't want X in the first place, you can screw Y.
    What about the "why" behind your "want"? Why do you want that thing, and is there nothing else in the world that will help you achieve the same thing than those specific things you want at this moment in your life? There are things in life you can't change, and learning to adjust your own wants and expectations regarding the things you can't change is going to lead to far less frustration in life.

    Feel free to interpret that to mean you shouldn't complain about anything ever, though.
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  3. #413
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    Here's a fun fact: You can only "force" somebody to do something by holding them at gunpoint if they "want" to live prior. If they want to die instead, you're not going to have any success with that method, they're happily gonna say:"No, eff you."

    In order for Need to arise, there has to be a prior "Want". IF you want X, THEN you need/have to/are forced to do Y, because Y is necessary to get X. If you don't want X in the first place, you can screw Y.
    Absolutely incorrect.

    I don't want to work at one of my jobs... I have to. I need to.
    I don't want to eat healthy foods because there are other less or non-healthy foods I'd rather eat... but I have to. I need to for my health.

    There are many, many things that people don't want to do but they have to. They are forced to due to some consequence or another. You are not, in any way, forced to buy anything from the mogstation. If there is something that you want, then it's your conscious decision whether or not to buy it.
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    Another note! monthly fee Valuta

    Hiya all,

    You know that england is no longer in the Europe nation (is about to)
    With that statement the Valuta dropped hard and is even close to the Euro's currencies now.
    so why is England paying £ 7,69 and EU € 10,99
    That aint right at all we EU people: Germany, Netherlands, etc... Paying more for this games fee then England that aint fair at all. it is up almost 2 euro's a month more.
    This is the Valuta right now:

    payment now: this how should be:
    € 10,99 = £ 9,49
    £ 7,69 = € 8,90

    http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/produc...ynow#_purchase

    look it up at the service fee.
    Look up at the valuta page

    They never changed the valuta when Engeland want out of Europe
    So there money dropped aswell in vallue.

    Hopefully will this be corrected
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    Last edited by Paito; 03-05-2017 at 11:12 PM.

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    I hope they implement a better vet reward system to replace the outgoing one. Depending on how loyal you are, you are paying $30-45 in 3 months (wow that is almost the cost of the base version of the new expansion), some of it for upkeep, maintenance and access and some for investing into future content. (A major patch every 3 months) The last vet reward they added is 360 days, up from 120 days. An entire year. Some of this stuff they are adding to the cash shop could have been a vet reward buffer.

    If you pay just the month and unsub (it would cost $10-15 to access each patch) it seems more reasonable, but if you are paying constantly and don't lapse I can see why people might see things in the cash shop as greedy when there is quite an investment already over a 3 month period. Items being single character only just makes it worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    There are many, many things that people don't want to do but they have to.
    Yes, because they are tied to another thing that they do want. I just explained that to you in abstract terms.

    Take your food example: The reason you are eating food you don't want is because you WANT to be healthy. You are not forced to be healthy. You just want to, because being healthy feels far better than being sick and you like being functional. And the only way to get that is to eat food you don't want to eat. Your Want to be healthy creates the Need to eat healthy food. If you don't want to be healthy in the first place, you can screw healthy food.
    Same for your job. You do not have to have a job. You can refuse, get fired or jailed, have no income. You only need the income because you WANT to afford food because you WANT to live and you need food to live, so you need income as well. This all depends on your own WANT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayTrash View Post
    I can understand putting past events items on mog station, but new emote/glamour/mount that goes straight to mogstation while not giving active sub a chance to obtain them in game is just pure greed, and whats even worst is that most item are solely single character, or if u have alt or future alt u will have to buy it again.
    It has nothing to do with our sub fee being enough or not. SE tested the waters and found out that people are willing to pay for extra stuff from the Mog Station. Even if this game had 11 million active subscribers, they would still sell items on the Mog Station, because there is a demand for them.

    This does not mean that I am oke with them adding emotes to the Mog Station instead of ingame, it is still something that we can not change. Aslong as there is a demand from players to buy stuff from the Mog Station, SE will make them and sell it. SE would be a fool to not take advantage of this.
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  8. #418
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaer View Post
    If you pay just the month and unsub (it would cost $10-15 to access each patch) it seems more reasonable, but if you are paying constantly and don't lapse I can see why people might see things in the cash shop as greedy when there is quite an investment already over a 3 month period. Items being single character only just makes it worse.
    Well for me it cheaper to pay (like $90 every 6 months) so equals to like $12.99 sub + $2 for 1 extra retainer per month which is cheaper then buying a new game for $60 every month or even say a older game at $30 a month. But as you said people that pay every month and play more get better value cause sub mmos not really meant to be played sporadically as the f2p mmos usually fill those needs.
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    This is a premium monthly sub based with a premium cash shop mmorpg. And no your monthly sub is not enough from a business perspective. It's bad business when you sell something at lowest possible profit. As a business you have to go for the maximum profit it is possible. And seeing how many people buying things from the shop and keep asking for more then SE is doing fine business. People have money and are willing to spend. You don't have to buy anything from the shop. We the players created the DLC golden era. Don't forget that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    Are you aware of what the words "forced" and "have to" mean?

    You are not forced to buy anything from the mog store. No one is holding a gun to your head to buy things. WANTING things in the mog store and DECIDING to purchase them because you like them enough to buy them is not being "forced".
    Like Amma always said. "If you can't have what you want, change your wants." People these days are so spoiled by instant gratification they no longer can tell the difference between "want" and "need" so they treat both ideas the same.

    If they said "you can only eat raid XYZ with this item from our cash shop", sure I could get the argument. People getting all enraged over glamour items and fun stuff being CS only so the company can turn a profit, I just think that's incredibly entitled, spoiled, and first-world.
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