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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    I do not think she understands how no meaning?nonexistant meaning? a ratio would be for getting mentor.

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    Im already a mentor , I got it through crafting but now I have both requirements I already had the comms just never did 1000 instances. But all I have said this whole time is just make them seperate, thats all that way it would only count dungeons , guild heist potd, raids etc you do normally. Instead of irrelevant runs that may just be used to farm stuff or something like that. I just dont see why it counts really , because you could literally do 100 unsync instances a peice for tank months and why should that count , I dont really understand that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    Im already a mentor , I got it through crafting but now I have both requirements I already had the comms just never did 1000 instances. But all I have said this whole time is just make them separate, that's all that way it would only count dungeons , guild heist potd, raids etc you do normally. Instead of irrelevant runs that mayjust be used to farm stuff or something like that. I just dont see why it counts really , because you could literally do 100 unsync instances a peice for tank months and why should that count , I dont really understand that.
    And what everyone has been asking you, including me, is why does it matter. Keep in mind the list I gave that I quoted myself on. As some suggested just seems a very weird ocd issue. You do a dungeon, doing a level 15-17 dungeon that takes 20 mins to do as a level 15, or as a level 60 that takes 8 mins to do. Why does it matter if one counts and the other does not? Should not matter if the unsync counts? at some point you need to accept people are throwing up their arms and going "OMG who the hell caaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrres"

    No one here really understands why you want this to be separate or why there is a real need for it. At first it sounded like you wanted this because of some self impose requirement for mentor status, so it needs changing. The reality however, no matter the requirements you put in mentor status , there be a high number that does not deserve it, no matter the requirements.

    To really help you with advice or to properly comment on what you are really asking, you need to be clearer. If you want to know why it is the way it is I answered that. The mentor system and the dungeon clearing achievements was out before entering dungeons without sync, it is from when the game was 50. So my guess the development and honestly I feel the same way, that it is not important.

    So now I ask you to clear up things and simply explain why spiting this statistic is important. How does it effect GAME PLAY , to do it?
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    The Mentor system was added in patch 3.2. Unsync already existed by then.
    The dungeon achievements were in the game from earlier though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moomba33 View Post
    The Mentor system was added in patch 3.2. Unsync already existed by then.
    The dungeon achievements were in the game from earlier though.
    eh? didn't exist at level 50? or was that just the sprout thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    eh? didn't exist at level 50? or was that just the sprout thing
    New Adventurer status was around since 50 (the sprout).
    Mentors and the Hall of the Novice were added in 3.2 to help them out more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    And what everyone has been asking you, including me, is why does it matter. Keep in mind the list I gave that I quoted myself on. As some suggested just seems a very weird ocd issue. You do a dungeon, doing a level 15-17 dungeon that takes 20 mins to do as a level 15, or as a level 60 that takes 8 mins to do.
    Because my request is pretty simple its not complex are crazy at all considering some of the things posted on the forums like how people are upset about SE selling an emote on mog station talk about proprieties. If someone thinks commendations dont mean anything at all then the very thought of my post wouldn't make sense to them, but the thing is they do the game says that they do , they dont say that emotes mean anything but clearly to the base they do.

    I mention having alts on my alts I never ran anything unsync and I also tanked on them I believe I have more commendations than instances on my alts. If you are a tank or healer even if some people dont give them, even if some like giving them to dps it is still a guide to whether or not you are preforming up to par. Because I can assure you if I mess up or cause a wipe 9 times out of 10 Im not gettin a commendation. But on my alts for instance my ratio is clear I have no unsync instances that I ran with friends its pure guild heist, trials , and dungeons on there no filler from unsync.

    All I was asking was to not have filler in my instances , because it creates a fabricated illusion of how many instances Ive done where I could be judged on my gaming performance. Because I said this is what a commendation is suppose to be and in most cases thats what it is the reason dps dont get them is because in any dungeon in the game if one dps goes down you can still do your duty. In many of the first dungeons you dont even need 2 dps Id say prob in every dungeon in the game you can finish a duty with 1 tank one healer and one dps. So there is a reason why tanks get them or healers because they just simply are needed more in most of the instances in the game.

    So all I was asking was just like on my alts to have a clear number, of my real duties the ones I actually went in witout just doing content with friends or helpin new players out in unsync content buffing my numbers to the point that my commendation to duty ratio is behind. Why this is so hard to understand is beyond me considering all the things posted on this forum everyday what I am asking is very valid for someone who may want to hold value to commendations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    So there is a reason why tanks get them or healers because they just simply are needed more in most of the instances in the game.

    Why this is so hard to understand is beyond me considering all the things posted on this forum everyday what I am asking is very valid for someone who may want to hold value to commendations.
    First: So you're admitting that tank and heals dont get them because they're performing very good but because they're more needed - so to repeat again to you: Commendations arent judging your performance so much but an overall appereance.
    I would guess that I got 50% of my commendations simply because I was the tank, 25% because of my looks and 25% because I was chatting and making the run more pleasent for everyone.

    Second: Full-group dungeons shouldnt count then either, right? Because you cant get a commendation at the end. (And really, you should get rid of those horrible, horrible friends making you run dungeons with them - how... insenstive of them!)

    Third: And please, please explain this finally: Why do you believe this weird "ratio" of yours should be 1:1? That is sololey based on the assumption that you'll get (or deserve) one commendation each run you're doing - so out of seven people in a trial you're playing good enough to impress one but not the other six... I'd say this 1:6 commendation ratio there should tell you: Way to go, buddy!

    Upholding this weird idea of a 1:1 ratio is only going to make you unhappy about a topic no one really cares about - personally I dont tie commendations to duties that strictly. But I also view my commendations as a "Thank you for being a pleasent companion" and not as "You did well in this run" - I got 3.600 "Thank yous"; I didnt do 3.600 good runs. THAT is the value of commendations - the amount of people who enjoyed playing with you, for whatever reason. Simply your job (because they were so happy they got a tank after waiting for 30 minutes that they didnt care about the performance anymore), your glamour, your jokes, your explantions, and maybe, once in a while, your performance. Commendations arent school-grades a teacher gives you - they're the little notes and hugs from your classmates saying "Thanks!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post
    First: So you're admitting that tank and heals dont get them because they're performing very good but because they're more needed - so to
    Like I mention earlier 9 times out of 10 if I cause a wipe and Im the tank Im not gettin a commendation so if you screw up and dont get a commendation thats clearly a judge on performance not just someone handing stuff out. I dont just hand out commendations if the healer causes us to wipe ten times then they are not gettin anything, I said in my above post that sure people give fluff commendations.


    But most of the time at least , well I know I do and my friends give them based on if you did your job well in the dungeon not off of glamour. Im not lookin at what people are wearing in dungeons , Im there to get tomes or commendations or gear, this community isnt that friendly so to think that people give them just because is unrealistic.

    And no its not a 1 to 1 ratio but if you are a good tank or healer and you run any content if you didnt have unsync runs clouding your instances you would or should have more commendations than instances based on role and performance, dps are just there like I said you could easily take one blm put them in any instance or dungeon aside from trail and clear every dungeon in the game just fine.

    You cant have 3 dps and a healer or 1 tank and three dps and clear hardly anything in the game. So its a mixture of both performance and playing important roles in the game, to think people just are so nice they are just giving out commendations because your there is just simply not true. Because they will surely let you no when your screwing up , so why would they not let you know if your doing your job correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    so why would they not let you know if your doing your job correctly.
    What have you been taking and where can I get some? There are a lot of people, in game and out, who will see people doing their job correctly and just ignore that fact. In this case, leave instantly without saying thanks or in general leave without giving any commendation to anyone. Not everyone gives out commendations like you do, your mindset is not the same as everyone else's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    And no its not a 1 to 1 ratio
    Hold onto THIS thought and make it your new mantra: There is no 1:1 dungeon:commendation ratio. Say it with me! "There is no 1:1 ratio!"

    The rest of your post was just a lot of "but I do it like this" and you have to realise that just because you do something its not the meta.

    Commendations do mean something - but that something isnt "Hey, you're really good at this game!" but "Hey, I enjoyed playing with you (at least enough to klick your name in this list here)"
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