Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[Feyona]

Nope, wrong again. Clicking cleric stance means you are switching your MND and INT stats. That's all.

In all of the dungeons around 28 and under, I can sit in cleric stance the entire time, never swapping out of it, and still keep tanks topped off with zero issues. The healing requirements are THAT minimal. I haven't "changed roles." I'm using both damage spells and healing spells. The damage spells have added kick because of the INT bonus.

Then you are a dps and not a healer, which actually proves my point rather than makes it 'wrong' Just because low content exists that dont need much healing doesnt make the fact that you go into cleric to become a dps a fact, cleric makes you a dps role.

[Taika]

Then you are a dps and not a healer, which actually proves my point rather than makes it 'wrong'

You're a healer who is using their DPS abilities. Healer jobs are hybrid jobs in this game: they heal, DPS and buff. You're not changing from one job or a role to another, you're playing one job which has all three types of abilities.

Ah c'mn Taika...pls...

I thought we were way beyond this false statement... cleric was designed for solo leveling

This is not true in the slightest. The game is designed to support healer DPS in group content (it's even required in for example Antitower) and even the official instructions (Hall of the Novice and the official Japanese FFXIV magazine) from the developers say healers are supposed to look for opportunities for DPS.

[Neela]

Healer jobs are hybrid jobs in this game:

Ah c'mn Taika...pls...

I thought we were way beyond this false statement... cleric was designed for solo leveling –
the com made it part of the "main" tasks healer should workout in the end... ^^'

[Feyona]

You're a healer who is using their DPS abilities. Healer jobs are hybrid jobs in this game: they heal, DPS and buff. You're not changing from one job or a role to another, you're playing one job which has all three types of abilities.

I dont agree that healer is the same role as dps and even if it was intended to be, which I believe from numerous sources that it wasnt then I would be asking for a choice of roles to play

[bounddreamer]

Then you are a dps and not a healer, which actually proves my point rather than makes it 'wrong' Just because low content exists that dont need much healing doesnt make the fact that you go into cleric to become a dps a fact, cleric makes you a dps role.

Just because you're saying words doesn't make them correct.

"You're a dps and not a healer..." No, that's not correct. I am a healer using my entire toolkit. Stone heavies the mob and makes them move more slowly. Aero applies a dot. Meanwhile the tank takes a trivial amount of damage. Cure tops them off.

This is BASIC.

I don't have to do any of that with cleric stance switched on. In fact, I've seen plenty of healers apply stone without using cleric stance.

"Cleric makes you a dps role..." Nnnnnnno, it doesn't. It swaps your INT and MND and gives you a damage bonus. That is literally all it does. It doesn't SWITCH OFF your healing spells. It makes them less effective. But if you're in content where healing requirements are trivial, even that "less effective" cure can be enough.

[Feyona]

Just because you're saying words doesn't make them correct.

"You're a dps and not a healer..." No, that's not correct.

This is BASIC.

I don't have to do any of that with cleric stance switched on. In fact, I've seen plenty of healers apply stone without using cleric stance.

"Cleric makes you a dps role..." Nnnnnnno, it doesn't. It swaps your INT and MND and gives you a damage bonus. That is literally all it does. It doesn't SWITCH OFF your healing spells. It makes them less effective. But if you're in content where healing requirements are trivial, even that "less effective" cure can be enough.

You cannot hardly heal when in cleric same as a summoner cant heal effectively. Slightly less effectively is an understement. That is because you are NOT meant to heal as a summoner. Same as healer is not meant to dps in that healer role, and visa versa. And I do mean heal in the sense of the word like summoner being able to through 18k crit heals like my wmg does and yes its fine if u want o throw a dot in your chosen role To add to that cleric disabled in pvp, think broil is 100 and something I can dps yes but its not effective. Does give you something to do though and if cleric were disabled you can still contribute