Shields & Parrying in 1.19

[Kallera]

Why can't block rate be boosted by a percentage of parry rate when wielding a shield. just make it a calculation of the two values when shield is equipped?

Also, is there going to be benefit to not using a shield on GLA? It is implied as such in the description of the jobs.

[Molly_Millions]

Also, is there going to be benefit to not using a shield on GLA? It is implied as such in the description of the jobs.

The advantage is that you parry more often. Just as this thread suggests.

[Stufoo]

The advantage is that you parry more often. Just as this thread suggests.

With high STR it won't beat a shield for mitigation purposes though, I'm assuming she's asking about more DD oriented benefits in the future. It's likely to happen when Paladin becomes available, if not sooner (1.20)

[Molly_Millions]

With high STR it won't beat a shield for mitigation purposes though, I'm assuming she's asking about more DD oriented benefits in the future. It's likely to happen when Paladin becomes available, if not sooner (1.20)

It's probably just not as effective as intended, or as you suggest maybe the paladin job will make it better. Either way, GLA tanks are so 1.18, it's all about MRD now. lol

[RemVye]

Seriously, I hope something gets done about this. Increase to block or allow for parry. Aegis boon maybe gives me 1 or 2 heals in the 30 second duration with multiple mobs on me. And keeping in mind that the damage received and dealt is much lower, it's like nothing actually happened.

[Sinnerslazer]

...It's practically impossible to use reactionary skills now because you can never tell when they are active...

there is a simple way to deal with this by implementing flashing frame around the skill icon, when it is ready to use.
something similar is used in other MMORPGs and it's really helpfull.

[Kailok]

Seriously, I hope something gets done about this. Increase to block or allow for parry. Aegis boon maybe gives me 1 or 2 heals in the 30 second duration with multiple mobs on me. And keeping in mind that the damage received and dealt is much lower, it's like nothing actually happened.

Agreed. I feel like blocking never even happens, and even when it does it feels like it didn't do anything. Aegis Boon might have a longer duration but even with my +5 GLA trait my Kite Shield barely ever blocks.

[Kiara]

Sorry for taking so long to get a response to you all about this. This isn't actually a bug, as with the changes made in patch 1.19, you can only focus on blocking when you have a shield equipped and will be unable to parry.

Hi Bayohne,

Thanks for the info.

I'd like to add my voice and say: I hope Yoshida-san reconsiders this stance and restores / allows Gladiator to Parry with a Shield equipped again. Gladiator needs more effective defensive options after 1.19, unless you're planning some brand-new Abilities / Additional things in 1.20.

[Raikki]

It's probably just not as effective as intended, or as you suggest maybe the paladin job will make it better. Either way, GLA tanks are so 1.18, it's all about MRD now. lol

MRD tanks were superior in Darkhold, too, so I guess GLA tanks are 1.17. SE really just can't seem to get the shield thing figured out. GLA is actually a hindrance in a PT right now because it doesn't bring enough damage to the table.

[RemVye]

I guess spending all that time to level GLA so I could tank was pretty pointless huh...

Someone said GLA is a hinderence to a party... this makes me sad

Maybe the new cool will be to just stack +attack, +STR, +crit attack and completely drop the shield... what's the point if I can just parry, right?


I have to choose between Parry or Block on a tank when the chance to block low and parry does the same thing?
- Low Block chance < Parry and Parry+ materia
- Shield Skills are useless because of this

STEP 1.] Removing Shield and Shield skills grants more ability points ==> Equip more DPS moves (+attack power cross-class) and WeaponSkills

STEP 2.] Prioritize +attack, +crit attack, +str and +parry materia because GLA damage is weak

STEP 3.] ???

STEP 4.] Profit.



Looking for someone to test this theory... I don't have the gil, gear or materia to put this to the test. If anyone has GLA gear and the right materia maybe you could compare and contrast damage for us to see how much dps a gladiator can actually put out. Also see how often you parry?


EDIT:

For Glad (no shield) parry tanking: Make sure to still equip Foresight, Feather foot, Defender etc.. just skip the shield skills.

Also note that with block rate being so low, Phalanx is semi worthless. Especially when you just have to spam the button and there isnt' a noticeable indication of when you have blocked.


First test - Parry Glad tank, with some additional DPS (+attack abilities and weaponskills)
Second test - dps Glad build (straight up dps, not tanking at all)