[Tanks/Healers]: Are you disappointed there is no new job in 4.0?

[Misutoraru]

Pretty much any concept you can apply to DPS can and has been used for tanks and healers.

it either turn into a clone i.e. PLD/DRK, more less BRD/MCH, or it become unbalance i.e. 3.0 AST-->buffed AST
dont get me wrong, I am happy and welcome for more jobs, but I would appreciate more if each job have their own identity and balancing issue
I am excite about 4.0 DPS class, but also worry about they being clone to current DPS class
Dev should really focus on balancing each class and giving uniqueness to them before introducing more job and making these chaos worse

[ADVSS]

I am excite about 4.0 DPS class, but also worry about they being clone to current DPS class
Dev should really focus on balancing each class and giving uniqueness to them before introducing more job and making these chaos worse

a bit of a concern for me as well, I hope they were designed to be their own job and not to -directly- compete with say NiN(rdm).

[Kurogaea]

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Yes, because if RDM isn't the jack of all trades then it isn't RDM to me therefore I won't like it most likely, and I never really cared for Samurai before so this game having it now isn't likely to change that much. If I had a new healer to try out, my experience as a healer for this new expansion could be that much richer, but yeah, it didn't happen. Anyways, Dancer please. :/

[Llus]

a bit of a concern for me as well, I hope they were designed to be their own job and not to -directly- compete with say NiN(rdm).

SAM skills:

Sword of Hate: Increases damage dealt by 5%, cannot be used with Sword of Flight or Sword of Parry
Sword of Parry: Reduces Damage taken by 10% (PvP 5%), cannot be used with Sword of Flight or Sword of Hate
Sword of Flight: Increases Movement Speed

Quick Slice: Delivers an attack with a potency of 150, crit damage if dealt from a target's rear, changes form to Muso Jikiden Eishin-ryu
True Slice: Delivers an attack with potency of 150, 190 when executed from targets rear, changes form to Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu, can only be executed when in Muso Jikiden Eishin-ryu stance
Thousand Cuts: Delivers an attack with potency of 30, 70 when executed from targets rear, Additional effect: damage over time, potency 50 duration 21s, changes form to Ono-ha Itto-ru can only be executed when in Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu stance, grants BunBu status duration 15s, pvp 28s

BunBu status: increases damage dealt by 10% and reduces weapon skill cast time and recast time, spell cast time and recast time and auto-attack delay by 5% can stack up to 3

Bushido Hou: opens up a Bushido, up to 5 Bushido can be opened at once

Ronin: Delivers an attack with a potency of 320, can only be used when under the effect of Fifth Bushido, The five Bushido close upon execution

Seppuku: Delivers an attack with a potency of 330, can only be used when under the effect of BunBu III, Effect fades upon execution

[Kikoten]

No, because there are new jobs in 4.0. They're both DPS jobs.

/troll

I'm not disappointed that there are no healer or tank jobs coming with this game, mainly because the whole combat system is getting revamped. I think I'll feel like I'm playing as a new job even when I go back to WHM.

[Ceasaria]

Idk if this has been mentioned by anyone yet, but you mustn't consider the new DPS classes as just "DPS." Remember that, within DPS roles, there are both melee and ranged DPS, and the later are divided between physical and casters.
There hadn't been a melee DPS since the introduction of Ninja in 2.4, and there hadn't been a caster since the literal release of the game. This is almost three years of wait time for casters!

We have 0 melee Healer since the beggining. Why this is not the priority ?
How many years should we wait to see this kind of job ?

[Aniond]

No. That is just a band aid. What they need to do is makes those jobs fun to play and then balance them. You could add a dozen new tank/healer jobs and it wouldnt help anything. Maybe initially, but in the end people will default to what really want to do.

[Aniond]

Yes, because if RDM isn't the jack of all trades then it isn't RDM to me therefore I won't like it most likely, and I never really cared for Samurai before so this game having it now isn't likely to change that much. If I had a new healer to try out, my experience as a healer for this new expansion could be that much richer, but yeah, it didn't happen. Anyways, Dancer please. :/

Thank God its not jack of all trade. Did you play FFXI. Summoner = white mage, Red Mage = white mage , SCH = White mage.... Even once as bard I was asked to go brd/whm to help a farm group. The problem with jack of all trades in an MMO is that you don't get to play the way you want. Im glad its DPS, same with summoner. I don't have to be forced as a "Healer" class if I dont want to be.

[Sylvain]

Y'know, except for the fact the numbers last shown are 23% Healers, 21% tanks, and 55% DPS players. Please do tell where you pulled 80% out of your ass. By not adding a new tank and healer job, they've basically ignored close to 50% of their player base, and that 50% are people who play roles that are more in-demand than DPS by a longshot.

I should have written "most player". I apologize you,re right.
It's odd because I'm usually the first to get mad a people shooting random values.
However, I have to somewhat disagree with you when you say "they ignore 50% of the player base".


Adding a new healer and tank doesn't mean they will appeal to only healer and tank.
For instance, I've always played DPS in every mmo and got curious with the astrologian which became my main job. So technically, the new healing job didn't really ignore me as I wasn't a healer and still moved to the new job. On the contrario, I know a few tank and healer who are very enthusiastic about the redmage and look forward maining the job and none of these already tank and healer actually enjoy the new HW jobs. (I don't know how you can prefer paladin to darkknight tho, but that's another topic)

RedMage and samurai are two job that people have been waiting for a longtime, and I don't believe that because the samurai doesn't tank and the redmage doesn't heal makes them less appealing to player already fulfilling these roles.

Personally, I'm looking forward the Time Mage. No matter which role I'll main in Stormblood, if they announce Time Mage for 5.0. I reroll (unless I really dont enjoy the gameplay)

[CuteWhisper]

I am disappointed about not having a new healer, it would have been nice to have either a Chemist or Dancer though I think I am more disappointing over their reasoning.