[Tanks/Healers]: Are you disappointed there is no new job in 4.0?

[Drakkaelus]

im not even sure if there are other options. meaning that there are not many role-play concepts for tanks and healers that the game already does not have.

Why do people keep saying this? Ranged, caster, pet/summon, shapeshifting, 1-handed, 2-handed, duel-wield, bare-handed, guns, whatever. Pretty much any concept you can apply to DPS can and has been used for tanks and healers in other games. RIFT, ESO, WoW, Archeage, Wildstar, DCUO, CoX, etc... I'm sure there are others but you get the idea. FFXIV is nowhere close to being all out of concepts for non-DPS jobs. The idea that they are is laughable.

[Vexander]

Why do people keep saying this? Ranged, caster, pet/summon, shapeshifting, 1-handed, 2-handed, duel-wield, bare-handed, guns, whatever. Pretty much any concept you can apply to DPS can and has been used for tanks and healers in other games. RIFT, ESO, WoW, Archeage, Wildstar, DCUO, CoX, etc... I'm sure there are others you get the idea. FFXIV is nowhere close to being all out of concepts for non-DPS jobs. The idea that they are is laughable.

I'd love to see a Shape-shifting tank by adding Morpher to BLU or possibly BST, but you run into the age old issue of players who enjoy that class complaining how gear upgrades never are reflected visually for them, because no company ever creates new models for forms. Maybe SE could make it work. I'd be curious to see.

[Naunet]

I'd love to see a Shape-shifting tank by adding Morpher to BLU or possibly BST, but you run into the age old issue of players who enjoy that class complaining how gear upgrades never are reflected visually for them, because no company ever creates new models for forms. Maybe SE could make it work. I'd be curious to see.

Fix for that would be to shapeshift for different abilities, so that you spend part of the fight as "normal" and part of the fight shapeshifted.

[Vexander]

Fix for that would be to shapeshift for different abilities, so that you spend part of the fight as "normal" and part of the fight shapeshifted.

Like Cleric Stance, or a 30 second buff that leaves you in form? I'm not sure either would be favorable to a lot of players. I'd love to pick the dev's brains over a Shapeshifting Class and how they'd make gear work. It could be possible for a form that visually uses different armor/barding and what not with new gear... It'd just be another set of cosmetics for a given patch.

[Drakkaelus]

I'd love to see a Shape-shifting tank by adding Morpher to BLU or possibly BST, but you run into the age old issue of players who enjoy that class complaining how gear upgrades never are reflected visually for them, because no company ever creates new models for forms. Maybe SE could make it work. I'd be curious to see.

Pretty much like Naunet said, you could solve the problem by having you constantly shift in and out of your transformed state. Demon Hunters in WoW and Necromancers in GW2 handled it that way. Worked out pretty well.

[Vexander]

Pretty much like Naunet said, you could solve the problem by having you constantly shift in and out of your transformed state. Demon Hunters in WoW and Necromancers in GW2 handled it that way. Worked out pretty well.

Yeah but that's a fairly cheap cop out. Most people I know who player Shape shifting classes prefer form permanence. Admittedly I don't know every single player who likes these kinds of classes, but its just my opinion that you'd draw more players with a class that enables a permanent transformation which could be toggled on and off.

[Misutoraru]

Pretty much any concept you can apply to DPS can and has been used for tanks and healers.

it either turn into a clone i.e. PLD/DRK, more less BRD/MCH, or it become unbalance i.e. 3.0 AST-->buffed AST
dont get me wrong, I am happy and welcome for more jobs, but I would appreciate more if each job have their own identity and balancing issue
I am excite about 4.0 DPS class, but also worry about they being clone to current DPS class
Dev should really focus on balancing each class and giving uniqueness to them before introducing more job and making these chaos worse

[ADVSS]

I am excite about 4.0 DPS class, but also worry about they being clone to current DPS class
Dev should really focus on balancing each class and giving uniqueness to them before introducing more job and making these chaos worse

a bit of a concern for me as well, I hope they were designed to be their own job and not to -directly- compete with say NiN(rdm).

[Llus]

a bit of a concern for me as well, I hope they were designed to be their own job and not to -directly- compete with say NiN(rdm).

SAM skills:

Sword of Hate: Increases damage dealt by 5%, cannot be used with Sword of Flight or Sword of Parry
Sword of Parry: Reduces Damage taken by 10% (PvP 5%), cannot be used with Sword of Flight or Sword of Hate
Sword of Flight: Increases Movement Speed

Quick Slice: Delivers an attack with a potency of 150, crit damage if dealt from a target's rear, changes form to Muso Jikiden Eishin-ryu
True Slice: Delivers an attack with potency of 150, 190 when executed from targets rear, changes form to Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu, can only be executed when in Muso Jikiden Eishin-ryu stance
Thousand Cuts: Delivers an attack with potency of 30, 70 when executed from targets rear, Additional effect: damage over time, potency 50 duration 21s, changes form to Ono-ha Itto-ru can only be executed when in Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu stance, grants BunBu status duration 15s, pvp 28s

BunBu status: increases damage dealt by 10% and reduces weapon skill cast time and recast time, spell cast time and recast time and auto-attack delay by 5% can stack up to 3

Bushido Hou: opens up a Bushido, up to 5 Bushido can be opened at once

Ronin: Delivers an attack with a potency of 320, can only be used when under the effect of Fifth Bushido, The five Bushido close upon execution

Seppuku: Delivers an attack with a potency of 330, can only be used when under the effect of BunBu III, Effect fades upon execution