Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[Feyona]

I was just curious when I asked the question above why people dont agree that cleric takes precious seconds off your time when you need to heal fast.

[Neela]

..but in FFXIV, healers are expected to DPS; tanks are expected to DPS and Heal (themselves or other party members when applicable)...

actually this is not true - but the com made it "true"... Yoshi said they should focus more on their actual role (again) than on their sidekicks. But this is a never-ending story, if you aren't interested in dps you will be called lazy or noob nowadays. However... but please just stop this "every cls is intended to dps concept-wise." It's just not true.

Selfbuffs, Selfheals and dps- and Xskills were actually part of the concept of leveling and/or playing solo... but became part of "optimizing" party-play as well all the way to the mindset we have just now "everybody has to dps as much as they can".

But like I said several times before... this com won't change their mind - even SE, Yoshi, the Dalai Lama or Trump will say it's not intended to be played like this.

[Kitfox]

I was just curious when I asked the question above why people dont agree that cleric takes precious seconds off your time when you need to heal fast.

If you are in Cleric, taking it off takes no time at all. Putting it on at the wrong time is the mistake people make. I always make sure that I'm either in Cleric stance before damaging mechanics happen so that I can easily take it off if needed, or don't go back into it if something is about to happen in the next 5 seconds. It's about anticipation and preparation. I also don't look out for stupid, if people take avoidable damage when I'm not expecting it and die because of it, that's on them.

If you always default into Cleric stance when people hit 95-100% HP, it's easy to quickly turn it off again when the need for a quick heal rises, it's much harder to NOT be in Cleric and try to pop in and out of it.

[Kitfox]

However... but please just stop this "every cls is intended to dps concept-wise." It's just not true.

Of course it's true. But it's not about DPS, it's the abilities all classes have. You CAN dps, so you should if you have the possiblity. Same as tanks should DPS when they can, PLD should Clemency if it saves a run, SMN should Raise, DPS should use their defensive buffs and Second Wind, BRD/MCH/NIN should recover party's TP/MP, all classes should use all of their abilities.

It's not about being a Healer, or a Tank, OR a DPS, it's about "You have this spell/ability that does something, use it because it's useful!"

[Feyona]

People can have their own opinions about healer dps in casual content (dungeons/easy trials). It's not required, you can stand around all day and play top-off every HP healer.

You are likely to get judged though.

There is a standard of what a "good" healer is at this level. Savage end-game might not interest you, but there are players that regularly do the end-game and we still do all the same casual raid/dungeon content.

Oh yes at the wall yestder when the tank asked me not to cleric, I have to admit the run went very slowly. I think the tank as a whole was having alot of difficulty holding aggro, he was in shield oath but it could have been that I outgeared him, but others took aggro too. I am not the type to judge others though, just wodered why as I play tank sometimes as well, and really its ok if some dont play great, I have the mindset of 'do the best I can do'

[Feyona]

If you are in Cleric, taking it off takes no time at all. Putting it on at the wrong time is the mistake people make. I always make sure that I'm either in Cleric stance before damaging mechanics happen so that I can easily take it off if needed, or don't go back into it if something is about to happen in the next 5 seconds. It's about anticipation and preparation. I also don't look out for stupid, if people take avoidable damage when I'm not expecting it and die because of it, that's on them.

If you always default into Cleric stance when people hit 95-100% HP, it's easy to quickly turn it off again when the need for a quick heal rises, it's much harder to NOT be in Cleric and try to pop in and out of it.

Yes true as well putting it on wrong time if I press wrong button its omg! But two buttons, cleric off retarget heal is maybe the time of a heal, could be wrong but it does take time

[AlphaSonic]

Aren't you tired of blaming everything that isn't you? It's my cohealer, it's cleric, are you going to blame the fairy next?

God get a grip seriously, you didn't heal the tank because you were in cleric. Switching off Cleric takes 0 seconds if you were already in cleric more than 5 seconds and lustrate is instant unless you've spent all your stacks DPSing (you can kill the fairy if you are in an emergency, that's why you have dissipation). Just because you let someone die while in cleric doesn't mean we need to remove that skill. Just for the next time look at the HP bars, don't turn cleric when the tank burster is being casted.

I recommend you start with cleric all the fights and staying as much as you can with cleric without removing it, when you will need to heal you won't have any problem because you will be able to turn it off and when the healing stress finishes turn cleric on again and repeat. It's not that difficult to use it, you just need to get used to cleric.

[Feyona]

actually this is not true - but the com made it "true"... Yoshi said they should focus more on their actual role (again) than on their sidekicks. But this is a never-ending story, if you aren't interested in dps you will be called lazy or noob nowadays. However... but please just stop this "every cls is intended to dps concept-wise." It's just not true.

Selfbuffs, Selfheals and dps- and Xskills were actually part of the concept of leveling and/or playing solo... but became part of "optimizing" party-play as well all the way to the mindset we have just now "everybody has to dps as much as they can".

But like I said several times before... this com won't change their mind - even SE, Yoshi, the Dalai Lama or Trump will say it's not intended to be played like this.

I think this is one of the most honest posts Ive seen that admits that it is the com that enforces healer dps, not how the design was originally intended.

[Feyona]

Aren't you tired of blaming everything that isn't you? It's my cohealer, it's cleric, are you going to blame the fairy next?

God get a grip seriously, you didn't heal the tank because you were in cleric. Switching off Cleric takes 0 seconds

I think you should read my posts before making assumptions, I was wmg at the time. And Im not blaming co healer but should have been able to rely on him. To just heal the tank. I certainly am used to cleric and know for a fact that it does take time to click off and retarget even moving your fingers from one button to another takes time, and when your talking about a 2 second window that can sometimes be alot. It also takes time for the heal to 'land' in cases input lag. This never happened to any of you ?And some of you , are so quick to assume that it has to be my fault in every case cos Im such a 'bad' healer for even wanting to heal that you are the ones doing the blaming

[Feyona]

Not going to give any more examples because some of you are too biased in protecting your stance on the matter to even read what I post. You are just looking for reasons for negating my experience its called 'selective attention' and you could say the same the other way round but I do read your posts, may not always agree but at least Ive been honest about what happens