Stop Giving the "Need" Command for Drop Gear in Dungeons to Higher Geared Players!

[Kit-Kat]

Like this other situation. You want it to be fair, but how fair would it be if:

Player A (WHM) Joins a dungeon for gear and player B (SMN) joins a dungeon for seals. A WHM piece drops and player A rolls need on it, then a caster piece rolls and WHM rolls on it aswell and happens to win it for an alt. Player A gets all loot while player B gets nothing while each of you joined the dungeon for your own purposes, but somehow you decided yours is more important for whatever selfish reason. Is that fair for you?

[bardaboo]

Why does this apply only if you need an item for an upgrade vs seals/desynth/glam and not the other way round?

Before deciding whether the others in a dungeon are there to make your life easier why don't you try to to make their life easier?

Typical sjw response. Someone complaining and stamping their feet and crying out for "fair treatment" and you all rush to defend and argue anyone who says "tough titties, that's life".
No 4 man dungeon drop in the game is current gear.
Anything that can be traded in for gc seals is not current gear.
anything not on a weekly lockout isn't current gear.
therefore his whole complaint is based on people rolling need on thing that isn't current bis. So why does he need it? He doesn't. Woah.

[Underdog2204]

Why does this apply only if you need an item for an upgrade vs seals/desynth/glam and not the other way round?

Before deciding whether the others in a dungeon are there to make your life easier why don't you try to to make their life easier?

There is a rather glaring distinction between the op and the person you are responding to.

One rolls on loot and if they don't get it they move on as thats the way things are for everyone. The other goes "omfg! I didn't get ma loot no-one should be allowed to roll unless I deem them worthy of it!"... So yeah.

I haven't seen anywhere in any of bardaboo's posts when it's adovcated the removal of anyones right to need on gear.

Here is me trying to get my last bird from Zurvan, upto 80 kills and my friend asked to join to which I said yes. His 3rd kill he gets the bird and now has the firebird, the game isn't fair or nice as is the way of things with RNG. Should I now demand that people with less kills than I do not be allowed to roll need on a bird? No, you just move on and accept crap happens.

[Cordie]

Typical sjw response. Someone complaining and stamping their feet and crying out for "fair treatment" and you all rush to defend and argue anyone who says "tough titties, that's life".
No 4 man dungeon drop in the game is current gear.
Anything that can be traded in for gc seals is not current gear.
anything not on a weekly lockout isn't current gear.
therefore his whole complaint is based on people rolling need on thing that isn't current bis. So why does he need it? He doesn't. Woah.

Same for your Seals/desynth needs: turn-in and desynth i250 crafted items. You don't get anything better from dungeon drops.

And you are sidestepping the important bit: why is your need for seals to be prioritized over another's need for a gear upgrade?

[Underdog2204]

Same for your Seals/desynth needs: turn-in and desynth i250 crafted items. You don't get anything better from dungeon drops.

And you are sidestepping the important bit: why is your need for seals to be prioritized over another's need for a gear upgrade?

No one has said that, they are saying it's just as legititmate a reason to roll on need for something. If they win the items for such a use then no-one has any right to complain about it, everyones access to loot is exactly the same. If someone doesn't like that then they hate the idea of fairness.

Urm cannot desynth lvl 250 crafted items ulness you've got a pretty high desynth level anyway (kinda defeats the point of "leveling" it), and people do not want to spend millions on GC seals.

[Felis]

I'm fully aware of people who go for gear in dungeons for glamour, but shouldn't that be even more of a reason for them to have to use the Greed command? I mean, YOU don't really need that gear anymore anyway since your level is higher, so why should you still be entitled to take it away automatically when someone else in your party might need it, regardless whether they are playing the class for it in a dungeon or not?

If you don't go in with the right job and don't ask beforehand, then you don't need it, too
The others can't know if you (as an example) need the robe for your healer if you are on your MNK. And if you don't ask then you don't need it.

How about this: enable the "need" option for everyone.
I need all items for seals not any less than any other random class/role.

There is not much random class/role around the Need. Just go with the job that you want to upgrade or communicate with the party.

[Cordie]

No one has said that, they are saying it's just as legititmate a reason to roll on need for something. If they win the items for such a use then no-one has any right to complain about it, everyones access to loot is exactly the same. If someone doesn't like that then they hate the idea of fairness.

Urm cannot desynth lvl 250 crafted items ulness you've got a pretty high desynth level anyway (kinda defeats the point of "leveling" it), and people do not want to spend millions on GC seals.

If it's "just as legitimate" why not go with "greed" for a level playing field? Exclusive rights to selfishness perhaps?

(Yes, you can desynth, there's the i220 set too for levelling it, and the cost is nowhere near a million even if you buy mats off the MB.)

[Lauren]

Been trying to get the Aiming chest piece from the last set of expert dungeons (the long white coat). I passed it a few times for BRD/MCHs who needed it to be nice but I went into a dungeon and it was me and a MCH. The MCH was fully geared like myself so I asked if I could have the aiming chest if it dropped and I'd pass everything else. They were happy cos they wanted stuff for desynth and agreed.

Ofc he got near every piece of loot and the coat obviously dropped. He not only beat me on the roll but also said he was going to desynth it there and then. I left before I would see it being destroyed but it's put a bitter taste in my mouth since. It's not dropped since. So I'll now roll on gear I'd like. Sorry.

[Underdog2204]

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Because it's not as simple as just "greed one everything", the initial element is that stuff for your job even drops to roll need on it. Everyone has has chance of not getting anything to need on, so you are not just asking people to throw away their possible only chance to guarentee and item you are also saying people who want it for classes they arn't even playing have more "need" of it than everyone else. It's hypocrisy.

Urm you do realise not everyone can craft, not everyone has gil to burn and not everyone can make 70-80 lvl 60 items to get the 80k seals required for their anima weapon for example? So now it's down to who's rich enough can now go forth and play by your standards? Less rich people should just shoot themselves in the foot anyway coz you say so?

Or everyone can grow up and say it's fair the way it is. So I get to roll on low level tank loot as my MCH and have as equal chance? Sure I'll be down with that... I somehow think this idea would prompt you knee's to jerk as I'm not allowed to get anything because I committed the henious crime of leveling up and getting some gear.

If there isn't a BRD or MCH in my group other than me then no-one in that group needs any more than eachtother and I've got the lucky drop, get over it.

I also love the hypocrisy (out and out calling us selfish) since this is coming from someone who has made a character one every single Chaos datacentre server with the same name so no-one "steals" it from you. Doesn't matter that you don't play on those servers you have just taken the name there anyway.



I always find it amusing as those who act like they are on the higest horse usually never hold to their own standards yet has the audacity to ask others why they don't.

[Cordie]

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It is as simple as all-greed, actually; there is a table on a previous page, nvm I'll link it again:

Would you prefer a 25% min. chance of getting something to turn-in or a ≤20% one?
(Remember you can't expect a courtesy you didn't care to offer.)

If you 're trying to get the sands with moonstones bought with GC seals.. oh well, ask for some tips.

It's much easier to keep in touch with people who have left for other servers by having a character there than doing world transfers back and forth. It's why you see so many ppl doing this.

(Thanks for ths screenshot btw, reminds me I've yet to visit someone on Moogle)