[Tanks/Healers]: Are you disappointed there is no new job in 4.0?

[Vexander]

Why do people keep saying this? Ranged, caster, pet/summon, shapeshifting, 1-handed, 2-handed, duel-wield, bare-handed, guns, whatever. Pretty much any concept you can apply to DPS can and has been used for tanks and healers in other games. RIFT, ESO, WoW, Archeage, Wildstar, DCUO, CoX, etc... I'm sure there are others you get the idea. FFXIV is nowhere close to being all out of concepts for non-DPS jobs. The idea that they are is laughable.

I'd love to see a Shape-shifting tank by adding Morpher to BLU or possibly BST, but you run into the age old issue of players who enjoy that class complaining how gear upgrades never are reflected visually for them, because no company ever creates new models for forms. Maybe SE could make it work. I'd be curious to see.

[Naunet]

I'd love to see a Shape-shifting tank by adding Morpher to BLU or possibly BST, but you run into the age old issue of players who enjoy that class complaining how gear upgrades never are reflected visually for them, because no company ever creates new models for forms. Maybe SE could make it work. I'd be curious to see.

Fix for that would be to shapeshift for different abilities, so that you spend part of the fight as "normal" and part of the fight shapeshifted.

[Vexander]

Fix for that would be to shapeshift for different abilities, so that you spend part of the fight as "normal" and part of the fight shapeshifted.

Like Cleric Stance, or a 30 second buff that leaves you in form? I'm not sure either would be favorable to a lot of players. I'd love to pick the dev's brains over a Shapeshifting Class and how they'd make gear work. It could be possible for a form that visually uses different armor/barding and what not with new gear... It'd just be another set of cosmetics for a given patch.

[Naunet]

No, as in certain abilities transform you when you use them, and you use them regularly in your rotation. Not sure what you're referencing by comparing cleric stance. That is a toggle button and not what I was talking about.

[edit] Off-the-wall example, but imagine if a Dragoon jump transformed you into a diving hawk or something while you carried out the ability. Obviously not that exact example but something akin to it.

[ShinMetsu]

As a tank, nope. Not disappointed that there are no new tanks.
I think Samurai is what it should be as DPS.
And RDM is 'okay' as DPS as well.

[Drakkaelus]

I'd love to see a Shape-shifting tank by adding Morpher to BLU or possibly BST, but you run into the age old issue of players who enjoy that class complaining how gear upgrades never are reflected visually for them, because no company ever creates new models for forms. Maybe SE could make it work. I'd be curious to see.

Pretty much like Naunet said, you could solve the problem by having you constantly shift in and out of your transformed state. Demon Hunters in WoW and Necromancers in GW2 handled it that way. Worked out pretty well.

[Vexander]

Pretty much like Naunet said, you could solve the problem by having you constantly shift in and out of your transformed state. Demon Hunters in WoW and Necromancers in GW2 handled it that way. Worked out pretty well.

Yeah but that's a fairly cheap cop out. Most people I know who player Shape shifting classes prefer form permanence. Admittedly I don't know every single player who likes these kinds of classes, but its just my opinion that you'd draw more players with a class that enables a permanent transformation which could be toggled on and off.

[Deedsie]

really?

That's not a hammer.

[Giubba]

That's not a hammer.

that's a viking

[Fernosaur]

Idk if this has been mentioned by anyone yet, but you mustn't consider the new DPS classes as just "DPS." Remember that, within DPS roles, there are both melee and ranged DPS, and the later are divided between physical and casters.

There hadn't been a melee DPS since the introduction of Ninja in 2.4, and there hadn't been a caster since the literal release of the game. This is almost three years of wait time for casters!

I know this might not mean much for tanks or healers, but there are people that prefer certain playstyles to their jobs, so getting a new caster and a new melee DPS is giving a new toy for people who hadn't gotten one for far longer than us tanks and healers did