DPS obsession in farm groups

[Watachy]

Snip.

This level of assumptions reached over 9000.

Im sorry to actually bright light to your logic but when you have access to the most broken weapong by farming casual/faceroll content it's just a casual-friendly weapon.
Plus you don't need that much time to get it on the new steps since they nerfed the 80 HQ items, the oils and the umbrites.
AS1 is a faceroll farm now, just need some time to do it and the 275 step is a joke.

So yeah, it's a broken casual-friendly weapon. Don't bring the time argument, it's absolutely normal to spend a little bit of time to get the most powerfull weapon in the game.
But hey, i've just got 3 of them i've probably no idea what im talking about LUL.

[aesteval]

So yeah, it's a broken casual-friendly weapon. Don't bring the time argument, it's absolutely normal to spend a little bit of time to get the most powerfull weapon in the game.
But hey, i've just got 3 of them i've probably no idea what im talking about LUL.

We're not talking about a "little" bit of time to do the relic steps pre-nerf. We're talking a dedicated time consuming grind. It doesn't matter if the content is easy if it requires daily dedicated grinding for an extended period of time - that's not casual. You can try to ignore the time argument all you want, but time is a key metric for something to actually be casual.

[raela]

but if you just label your group "Farm Party" don't assume you'll be skipping Soar, even if you have five DPS.

For clarification, the 5 DPS party I was in had NIN (~70 percentile, i270 weapon), me on DRG (~55 percentile, i260), 2 other DRGs (i260 and i270), and a BLM (i260 I believe). Yes, I agree that soar skipping is not a given due to 5 DPS.. But to see demon claw for losing healer DPS with decently geared players is sad. :v

[LineageRazor]

ThisSo yeah, it's a broken casual-friendly weapon. Don't bring the time argument, it's absolutely normal to spend a little bit of time to get the most powerfull weapon in the game.
But hey, i've just got 3 of them i've probably no idea what im talking about LUL.

Casual does not mean you stick to only the easiest content in the game. Casual means that you don't spend a lot of time playing the game (which often leads to sticking to the easiest content, but doesn't have to mean that). Casual players I know log on to the game MAYBE two or three evenings per week, and certainly wouldn't spend what little time they're able to play grinding out a relic - not when there's so many things to do in the game that AREN'T an aggravating and boring grind. No, players that have relic weapons spend a lot of time in-game - likely several hours every night. That is by no means casual play.

The casual players I hang out with do like to challenge endgame activities such as Alexander and Ex Primals - but typically aren't able to defeat these encounters until a patch or two after they're added, due to the fact that even things as supposedly casual as capping tomestones every week is a pipe dream, and their gear tends to be way behind the level expected for these encounters.

For clarification, the 5 DPS party I was in had NIN (~70 percentile, i270 weapon), me on DRG (~55 percentile, i260), 2 other DRGs (i260 and i270), and a BLM (i260 I believe). Yes, I agree that soar skipping is not a given due to 5 DPS.. But to see demon claw for losing healer DPS with decently geared players is sad. :v

As a point of interest, while I and my extremely casual static party were practicing this fight, we practiced it solo-tank so the healers could practice the healing involved in keeping a solo tank alive during the add phase. Since we were new to the fight and (being casual) most of us BARELY met the ilvl 250 entry requirements, and often one or two of us were dead to Soar, we'd frequently have to deal with Demon's Claw in our early days of practice. We found that BLM actually makes a surprisingly good "off-tank" for Wave Cannon - with Manaward, Stoneskin, and SCH/AST shields, the BLM would survive Wave Cannon (and if they did die, Umbral Ice allowed them to recover their DPS resources almost instantly after the rez).

[LalaRu]

The dps obsession is the result of have removed punishment for dps "too much" and party wiped for eating more mechanics at same time, dps will never learn to hold the trigger so SE adjusted to them. Now mechanics are skipped, and raiding become a dps gimmick.

[Cordie]

Im sorry to actually bright light to your logic but when you have access to the most broken weapong by farming casual/faceroll content it's just a casual-friendly weapon.[...]

Yes, I see how this can be upsetting especially if you are used to run instant gratification content like Savage (clear? good job! here's your loot!). Oh wait.. you actually have a few of these too..

[Aquaslash]

instant gratification content like Savage

Whoa there! Let's give Savage the respect it deserves. Getting thay clear is easier said than done for a lot of people; especially since you HAVE to learn the mechanics. I know I've wasted way too many hours wiping with groups on Lapis Lazuli during my A11S prog days

[Cordie]

Whoa there! Let's give Savage the respect it deserves. Getting thay clear is easier said than done for a lot of people; especially since you HAVE to learn the mechanics. I know I've wasted way too many hours wiping with groups on Lapis Lazuli during my A11S prog days

Sorry? Respect? I'll tell you about respect: the respect the dev-team repeatedly fails to display towards grinders. We get a half-baked grind for lesser gear with no other paths every patch; we get a relic lacking both in requirements (yeah, because if raiders can't do it on the side that will be a disaster) and in item-level/stats for the ENTIRE EXPANSION UNTIL THEY RUN OUT OF CONTENT.
So, no, I don't owe any respect to savage, much less to raiders who simply "justify" a poor endgame design.

[VeliusVire]

You can either grind Relic for your weapons and be behind Raiders in terms of gear, or you can Raid and get geared ahead of time. Bam, done. Because for starters, if you're not raiding, you don't NEED any i270 gear, let alone i260 gear, everything in this game can be cleared 20 ilevels below the cap of each Patch cycle[3.0-3.1/3.2-3.3 etc]. You are acting like a spoilt brat and it's unbecoming. If Savage is really as easy as you make it out to be, then why are you sitting here and complaining? Go get your 'easily, non-grindy' gear, I'll check back with you in a few weeks. SMH the audacity of people.

[Cordie]

You can either grind Relic for your weapons and be behind Raiders in terms of gear, or you can Raid and get geared ahead of time. Bam, done. Because for starters, if you're not raiding, you don't NEED any i270 gear, let alone i260 gear, everything in this game can be cleared 20 ilevels below the cap of each Patch cycle[3.0-3.1/3.2-3.3 etc]. You are acting like a spoilt brat and it's unbecoming. If Savage is really as easy as you make it out to be, then why are you sitting here and complaining? Go get your 'easily, non-grindy' gear, I'll check back with you in a few weeks. SMH the audacity of people.

I don't need to be explained the situation, and it doesn't change the fact it shows a marked disrespect towards grinders.
Interestingly, I also have no desire to play with people that are already in my utter-trash/raiding/etc category.
Most interestingly, I am not too keen to support a flawed and single-sided model designed to cater to the action-games audience imported to an RPG series title, like you are.