[Tanks/Healers]: Are you disappointed there is no new job in 4.0?

[Uielyave]

I couldn't be happier about Samurai being a DPS. I hate tanking with a passion, and im still working on playing AST. So having Samurai, one of my favorite jobs in XI, be a DPS? It's amazing.
RDM i dont really care about tbh lol.

[TouchandFeel]

Initially, I am somewhat disappointed because it never feels good being left out when others get new things. Also, I was really hoping to see a new take or variation to tanking in the game and the option to try it out and see if it fits me better than what we currently have.

However, I will reserve final judgment on whether holding off was a good or bad thing depending on to what extent the combat changes alter tank and healer play and what they do with the existing jobs in regards to new abilities with lvl 60-70.

[KaerisKlyne]

A little bummed, but not salty about it.

I mained BRD through 2.x, switched to MCH on the first day of 3.0 (no regrets, I didn't have the same issues with it that everyone else seemed to, likewise with AST when I switched from WHM as my go-to healing job). I left for a while and now main AST, the point of which is to be either regen-based reactive or shield-based predictive. The only broken part of AST is its utility being much more appealing (yes, despite the RNG, but it's literally a deck of cards) than the other 2. It's style of healing has always felt unique IMHO, I never feel like I'm a WHM or SCH clone depending on sect.

I'll continue to use AST as my main healer, but I'll definitely be going with either RDM or SAM as my new main DPS job as I'm burned out on being ranged support and none of the others have really grabbed me, though I'm enjoying leveling MNK.

[Drakkaelus]

My point here is that a MCH is very different from a MNK and DRG, because they flat out don't fill the same role as many people claim

I'm sorry...what? I mean, I've been away from the game for a while, but when did any of those classes become something other than DPS?

People are saying that because we got MCH, melee should be perfectly happy and don't need more variety. This is a key argument in so many Tank and Healer only players..

Actually, no. It's not a key argument. Nobody has ever suggested that DPS should never get new roles and don't need more variety (same can't be said about the reverse though...). What they are saying is that Tanks and Healers also need more variety. Especially since (even according to you) they already have less variety to begin with.

Sure... If you can tank from range.. Or pull out some melee healers.. I mean there isn't much else to go with Tanks/Healers.. Do you have any ideas that haven't been done? There aren't any categories until there is enough differentiation between them.

Well, ranged tanks and melee healers have been successfully done in other games so, hell, why not?

I don't see why the standards need to be so different between the roles. Nobody's looking at the Samurai and saying, "how many different ways can you stab somebody with a blade? We already have Dragoons, Ninja, and Red Mages" but for some reason the fact that we have a tank with an axe and a tank with a sword means that we're all out of ideas. Obviously there's ways to differentiate melee classes even if they use similar weapons. Or even the same weapons for that matter. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp unless FFXIV is literally the only RPG you've ever played in your life.

Hell, WoW has Death Knights, Warriors and Paladins all wearing the same armor and using the same weapons and yet they play wildly different from one another so don't tell me the well's already run dry over here.

[Raven_Darkstar]

Yes, I am disappointed. I tried to brace myself for this possibility (only 2 new jobs and both dps), but I guess I failed at that ;P. When the news came out confirming it, it came as a huge disappointment and absolutely sucked away all my excitement for SB.

I suppose it at least makes my decision of what to main pretty easy. AST all the way. I'll only lvl SMN once the queue situation calms down. And yeah, I'll eventually try out RDM, but meh, it's very backburner.

For me, now that I've had time to think about it, it's less about not getting a new healer job, as it is that feeling of being left out. But even more than that, just the whole dismissive vibe I'm getting from what Yoshi has said on the subject. This whole expansion, including what little we've heard about the battle and job changes, just seems to be very focused on dps, with tanks and healers just... left out. It sucks.

[TaleraRistain]

I'm a white mage main for life (assuming the combat restructuring doesn't completely change the Job on me) so I don't really feel left out. I am feeling the pain of having a lack of tanks in queues. So not having a new tank that might possibly tempt others to the role is a concern for me.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Yes, I am disappointed. In fact, I still haven't even PO'd Stormblood yet, when the same time two years ago I couldn't PO Heavensward fast enough.

All of my reasons have already been mentioned many times in this thread, so I will leave it at that.

[DroFrehter]

I have WAR and DRG. I plan on leveling SAM and RDM at some point but I may take advantage of the time after Stormblood releases to level up PLD or DRK since tanks will be in high demand.

[Belhi]

Yes, I am disappointed. I tried to brace myself for this possibility (only 2 new jobs and both dps), but I guess I failed at that ;P. When the news came out confirming it, it came as a huge disappointment and absolutely sucked away all my excitement for SB.

I suppose it at least makes my decision of what to main pretty easy. AST all the way. I'll only lvl SMN once the queue situation calms down. And yeah, I'll eventually try out RDM, but meh, it's very backburner.

For me, now that I've had time to think about it, it's less about not getting a new healer job, as it is that feeling of being left out. But even more than that, just the whole dismissive vibe I'm getting from what Yoshi has said on the subject. This whole expansion, including what little we've heard about the battle and job changes, just seems to be very focused on dps, with tanks and healers just... left out. It sucks.

Yeah, I think he very much intended the opposite, but I found Yoshi P's reassurances more off putting than reassuring. That might partially be because they seem to have really struggled with figuring out balance all 3.X so I am naturally sceptical that that has suddenly changed. I also found the idea of not being left out is actually getting balance which is something you really should get by default. Its like someone selling one person a house with furnishings and then selling you a similar house without furnishings for the same price and saying 'but don't worry, we will make sure the house has a roof'.

I am not hating on Yoshi P. He was trying to reassure us and there is a limit on details he can go into so he cant offer much beyond vague promises. Its just how it came off.

It is all going to come down to details on changes to the combat system and tank and healer classes. If its good I personally will be bothered a lot less. I don't want to get my hopes up though because with so little to go on it would be easy to start hoping for things which aren't happening.

[Anne-]

Well, as of now I only main two jobs. One is my BRD since the day I started playing this game and the other is SCH, which is and will always remain my main healer until the end of days. As for tank, I couldn't care less about it, since I stopped playing one for various reasons.

I tried out AST in the last expansion, I liked it, but dropped it again cause it couldn't replace SCH for me. So, I'm fine even if there isn't a healer in the new expansion and looking at RDM or SAM, I'm thinking of trying out both to see how I like them. Wouldn't abandon my BRD for either of them, but I'm willing to take on a second DPS job if it appeals to me.