Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

[Stanazolol]

I never kick anyone and always try to help out, but really, just because you are new and casual, doesn't mean you have the right to be lazy and dumb. Failing to understand and use the basics of your class is not excusable at level 60. By simply knowing the basics your dps should be good enough for almost every normal mode encounter.

The mentors are being jack bags, but that doesn't give anyone the right to be hilariously bad at their class at level 60.

[Leanna]

The amount of people unable to play with pugs should get an elitist group to run ALL content, instead of blame anyone who doesn't play like you want.
Being that salty to random people in a MMO is even funny.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The amount of people unable to play with pugs should get an elitist group to run ALL content, instead of blame anyone who doesn't play like you want.
Being that salty to random people in a MMO is even funny.

I guess expecting people to know their job basics at 60 is elitist now.

[Leanna]

I guess expecting people to know their job basics at 60 is elitist now.

Kick people is, expect people to know their job basics at 60 isn't. Get over it.

[AnaviAnael]

I guess expecting people to know their job basics at 60 is elitist now.

Nah we're supposed to git gud and carry everyone, doncha know?

[Isala]

Nah we're supposed to git gud and carry everyone, doncha know?

[DPZ2]

Well, it's been over a week and still no response from the OP. I guess they don't want help gearing up, or help learning rotation. Oh well, we offered.

I suspect the level of 'digital vitriol' without much in the way of advice early on in this thread made it unpalatable to return. As the saying goes: "Once burned, twice shy".

[TouchandFeel]

The fact that it is a baby onesie just makes the relevance of the image that much better.

[Faliandra]

You should learn more about AST then, since if we are talking about a DF where you can be 46 in, that is the first place an AST can manage cards properly, in other words this is SE's shortcoming and the AST might not know better they have all the tools to use to buff people now. The reason is redraw, without that, it is hard to give AoE buffs, what is the point of AoEing ewer because the game makes you without redaw?

It took me a long time to learn AST and how to give effective buffs, in fact I had to be couched by a friend. It is not easy to pick up how to make it effective.

If they happen to be 44 there, or just hit 45 there, meaning no redraw since it is quested, then the person you are trying to kick is correct. It is hard for a new AST to focus on that while it does not do much because the lacking of redraw and putting too much on RNG to have something good. What you end up having is, if you get a card you can burn for aoe buff you do that, when if you get anything but balance you have to click it off since without redraw you are only having 2 chances, not 4 (if you spread), making hold(spread ability) weak without redraw. it is very hard to buff before having redraw.

thank you for your helpful suggestion that I should learn more about AST, but its one of my main classes and I also occasionally raid with ast.
Now I will admit that im not fully aware of what card skills are available at which lvl, cos i lvled ast a year ago when I was super new at the game still and have since then, mostly played endgame content with it at lvl 60.
I basically lvled whm first,then moved on to AST. And I'm sure i wasnt the best, and I'm sure i messed up many cards too, but I did use them.
Maybe not as much as I couldve, but I did use them. And since I've seen other ASTs play cards in Dzemael, I definitely knew its possible.
I did not ever at some point say that I expected a flawless astro. In case I did, feel free to quote and show me.

Secondly, this person never said anything about "oh,but its so hard cos i dont have all skills yet" or "Im having trouble to coordinate things". That person did NOT WANT to use them. AT ALL. Because "I play how I wanna play".
And because "cards arent needed here". Well, technically cards arent needed anywhere because you can clear any content without an ast to begin with.

But you see, I agree that drawing cards in the best way DOES take a bit of time to learn. And you know whats the issue here? You dont learn at all if you dont start using them.
There's a reason why this game is giving you one skill at a time and adds another one slowly, so you can learn slowly without being overwhelmed.
Dzemael has 3 bosses,it wouldve been enough to play 1 card at a boss at least. Or try. just TRY. I watched the ast very closely and he never ever attempted to draw a card to begin with.

According to your logic, I should probably also hold back some dps skills like, for example, using Darkside as a DRK when i dont have bloodprice yet? Which is the case in some low lvl dungeons.
Bullshit. Its a bit harder to manage but still very much possible. I've only lvled my DRK 2 months ago or so. Said AST also had 2-3 classes on lvl 60 already and did not dps at all.
So, being overwhelmed from healing a little and drawing some cards? Really? Lol.


Really, your whole argument is invalid.

[PondHollow]

I guess expecting people to know their job basics at 60 is elitist now.

On reflection, and I think you deserve an earnest response and careful explanation, yes, though I wouldn't term it "job basics," expecting people to have cross-class skills or know how to use them at 60 if they are yet to get 3.5 content solidly under command is unfeasible. Calling elitist or not is pointless. A person leveling a class will go through the content of successive patches at a pace much faster than those patches were released, going through in about 2 hours of play time what was released over 28-42 weeks, with a +15 to +30 item-level lag building up over those 2 hours with each individual patch content cleared, to say nothing of them only picking up, optimistically, 3 or so items per tier. They're going to lag behind on gil, tomes, and drops. Of course, your comment is not about those things, but I mention them because such a player has not established their character and job well. You don't need to know what you're doing to get through the main story, and the main story generally comes first, and fast. A rounded out character that can do one job well is sort of out of the question.

OP is in a more severe situation, without a backlog of scripture to back them up from a first class, and doing Sohr Khai well after the release of Palace of the Dead, which has enabled many people to reach level 50 or 60 without even doing the jobquests. I would say many people go right through with their first class from 1-60 before getting cross-class skills; and I can tell you quite a lot of tanks only get Provoke when they hit Bismarck because they are still leveling Warrior or Dark Knight for the first time.

You may not agree with it, but this is the state the game's design encourages people to be when they hit 60, at which point they are generally still going through the Main Scenario quests.