[Tanks/Healers]: Are you disappointed there is no new job in 4.0?

[ADVSS]

The fact AST was built to mimic WHM and SCH is a huge problem, IMO. To me, that's something worthy of a redesign; "Killing it" might be better than leaving it as is and trying to build off it.

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problem is they cant just kill it its too late too many people invested into it it'd cause massive blowback to just delete a job like that. I really do agree with those points, i mean they could just plop out a new healer and tank but then wed be getting a new paladin or whitemage . AST probably would have been ok with its low potencies if it were able to switch stances in combat. Still just says alot when it was designed to replace either sch or whm depending on the other healer, i mean...the switching would probably have made it play differently enough but maybe someday we can get a fresh tank and fresh healer, not designed to push x job out, etc.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

problem is they cant just kill it its too late too many people invested into it it'd cause massive blowback to just delete a job like that. I really do agree with those points, i mean they could just plop out a new healer and tank but then wed be getting a new paladin or whitemage . AST probably would have been ok with its low potencies if it were able to switch stances in combat. Still just says alot when it was designed to replace either sch or whm depending on the other healer, i mean...the switching would probably have made it play differently enough but maybe someday we can get a fresh tank and fresh healer, not designed to push x job out, etc.

They did it to Bard despite the overwhelming blowback. Balance has to be rolled back or nerfed otherwise White Mage is a dead job come Stormblood. It's already fallen severely in the raid environment and will only continue to struggle unless something is done to bring down Scholar and/or Astro. At the moment, they really have nothing to add onto White Mage which will benefit a raid group more than enhanced Balance since they aren't going to take away shields from the other healers. Unfortunately, I have a feeling they are just going to give it more raw healing and that isn't going to change a thing.

[ADVSS]

They did it to Bard despite the overwhelming blowback. Balance has to be rolled back or nerfed otherwise White Mage is a dead job come Stormblood. It's already fallen severely in the raid environment and will only continue to struggle unless something is done to bring down Scholar and/or Astro. At the moment, they really have nothing to add onto White Mage which will benefit a raid group more than enhanced Balance since they aren't going to take away shields from the other healers. Unfortunately, I have a feeling they are just going to give it more raw healing which won't continue a thing.

Yeah I was less than thrilled about some of the changes hw brought, esp to bard you make a good point. And I agree raw healing power isnt going to fix the issue, and nor would giving mnk just some more dps, unless they jacked that dps to op levels, then its not balanced yet again.

Caster Tanks, Projectile/support tanks (at best WAR is a stretch for support tank)
Melee Helaers, Projectile/support Healers.

Considering tanks and healers lack the diversity DPS gained, they need it more than DPS need more diversity.
(PLD to WAR and WHM to SCH are examples of much more drastically different play styles. AST and DRK were just jobs that try to meet in the middle of the two. Only making PLD feel more like WAR, despite not being more like WAR at all. Same with AST making WHM and SCH feeling more alike, though WHM did get more instant casts)

Im on board with seeing really unique tanks/healers. For tanks though they still require a moderate level of handling melee range mobs, but a hybrid of range/melee would still be refreshing Im talking more than just abyssal drain having sort of that type of effect.