Compromise: Just Charge $5 For Now. Once 2.0 is Out, Then Charge $12

[Preypacer]

Preypacer, you are trying to say that because we want to invest time into our characters that aren't getting wiped come v2.0 (which I and everyone else who has been playing is really looking forward to), we feel that this game is in a position worthy of being billed for.

No, I'm making no such presumptions. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Whether people decide the game is worth paying for or not is entirely up to them. I've said as much in a previous post: if people don't feel it's worth paying for, then they'll do the same thing they'd do with any other MMO... don't subscribe.

What I'm saying is I find it funny how people have been playing for up to 13 months, making quite a lot of progress in that time in some cases... and yet will now complain that the game is "in horrible condition", "unfinished", and not worth paying for. It's good enough to keep them entertained and occupied for all that time, through all those hours and all those play sessions... but now suddenly "oh it's in horrible shape", "oh it's unfinished", "oh it's this...", "oh it's that...". The hyperbole is really quite much in some cases.

I find it funnier that the people doing the most complaining are the people who have gotten the most out of the free time offered over the past 13 months, especially those conveniently deciding they "haven't gotten what they paid for" after all that time, now that free time is coming to an end.

I can assure you that if there was a character wipe coming around the corner for 2.0, not a single person would be playing right now, let alone paying for it a couple down months the road (barring some extreme fan-boys).

Oh what a presumptuous crock of BS.

You can't "assure" me anything. You don't know what everyone else would do, "fanboys" or otherwise. Unless you wish to share this mystical power you have to know what everyone else thinks and what everyone else would do... without actually knowing or having spoken to everyone else.

Do yourself a favor: speak for yourself.

Aside from that, it's worth noting that how you so preemptively refer to those who would disagree with your views dismissively as "extreme fanboys" says a lot about your intolerance of differing opinions. Not a quality I'd be proud of.

With that being said, your stance is that because we want to keep advancing our characters, that automatically means that we like the game enough to pay for it. That is a logical fallcy .

Ahhhh not quite.

First, you're putting words in my mouth again. Please knock it off.

Second, that you want to continue playing the game but don't want to pay for it is your problem to sort out, not SE's.

You either pay when subs are reinstated and continue progressing your character... or you don't sub and your character stays where it is until some point down the road that you should decide you'd like to sub again.

Those will be your options come Dec. when they reinstate subs... just as they'll be mine and everyone else's.

It's the same exact choice you have with any other MMORPG you may have bought and stopped subbing to. If you want to play the game, you pay the sub. If you don't pay the sub - whatever your reasons - then you don't get to play it. Can't have it both ways.

Yoshi stated the conditions under which they would decide when it was time to reinstate subs about a year ago. They have stayed on track and worked to fulfill those conditions. Yoshi and SE have concluded that 1.20 will bring the game to where they can fairly ask for a sub fee. Even at that, he's allowing free time even after 1.20 before reinstating subs so people can check it out and make an informed decision on whether it's worth it to them or not.

Then the ball will be in yours, mine and everyone else's court as to whether we continue playing or not.

You may not like it... but that's just the way it's gonna be.

[JackDaniels]

No, I'm making no such presumptions. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Whether people decide the game is worth paying for or not is entirely up to them. I've said as much in a previous post: if people don't feel it's worth paying for, then they'll do the same thing they'd do with any other MMO... don't subscribe.

What I'm saying is I find it funny how people have been playing for up to 13 months, making quite a lot of progress in that time in some cases... and yet will now complain that the game is "in horrible condition", "unfinished", and not worth paying for. It's good enough to keep them entertained and occupied for all that time, through all those hours and all those play sessions... but now suddenly "oh it's in horrible shape", "oh it's unfinished", "oh it's this...", "oh it's that...". The hyperbole is really quite much in some cases.

I find it funnier that the people doing the most complaining are the people who have gotten the most out of the free time offered over the past 13 months, especially those conveniently deciding they "haven't gotten what they paid for" after all that time, now that free time is coming to an end.



Oh what a presumptuous crock of BS.

You can't "assure" me anything. You don't know what everyone else would do, "fanboys" or otherwise. Unless you wish to share this mystical power you have to know what everyone else thinks and what everyone else would do... without actually knowing or having spoken to everyone else.

Do yourself a favor: speak for yourself.

Aside from that, it's worth noting that how you so preemptively refer to those who would disagree with your views dismissively as "extreme fanboys" says a lot about your intolerance of differing opinions. Not a quality I'd be proud of.



Ahhhh not quite.

First, you're putting words in my mouth again. Please knock it off.

Second, that you want to continue playing the game but don't want to pay for it is your problem to sort out, not SE's.

You either pay when subs are reinstated and continue progressing your character... or you don't sub and your character stays where it is until some point down the road that you should decide you'd like to sub again.

Those will be your options come Dec. when they reinstate subs... just as they'll be mine and everyone else's.

It's the same exact choice you have with any other MMORPG you may have bought and stopped subbing to. If you want to play the game, you pay the sub. If you don't pay the sub - whatever your reasons - then you don't get to play it. Can't have it both ways.

Yoshi stated the conditions under which they would decide when it was time to reinstate subs about a year ago. They have stayed on track and worked to fulfill those conditions. Yoshi and SE have concluded that 1.20 will bring the game to where they can fairly ask for a sub fee. Even at that, he's allowing free time even after 1.20 before reinstating subs so people can check it out and make an informed decision on whether it's worth it to them or not.

Then the ball will be in yours, mine and everyone else's court as to whether we continue playing or not.

You may not like it... but that's just the way it's gonna be.

lol

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[Preypacer]

lol

/10char

And with that obvious concession... I rest my case.

[Mireille]

What happens IF 2.0 is a failure? Charging full price atm may not be a good idea until 2.0 proves itself. The game that we are playing right now is not the exact game we will be playing post 2.0. I understand that SE would like to see something for what they have done so far but I feel it isn't at full price level yet.

I don't think this is about SE making money I think this is about SE bringing in capital to pay for the project.

This is my hypothesis: A year ago everyone was thinking tweaks and updates to an existing game in order to address certain poorly thought out ideas. Now we are talking about what amounts to a new game based somewhat on the old one and its going to take another 15+ months to complete it plus roll out a PS3 version.

Oh and the Japanese economy is shaky, the most powerful natural force on earth rose up from its bed and smacked them one, their credit rating like America's has been downgraded, and the world may be heading into another recession.

To keep this project going for another 15 months its not unreasonable to expect that they need income plus investment. I think I read somewhere that not charging meant they had to forgo outside investment in the redevelopment of the software. I'd kind of like to see them get a nice big pile of cash to make 2.0 a reality. If charging me a monthly fee makes that happen then I'm all for it.

We get to develop characters, make gil, and get achievements that no one else will ever be able to get. All of that will be ported into the new game. We also get to give feedback and in a small way help develop the game into its final form. I don't see a problem here, but if others do they can rest assured that SE has taken steps to make sure you won't be charged without first reaffirming your consent for them to do so. A lot of American companies wouldn't be so nice about it.

[Rentahamster]

Well that will be going out the door in about 2 months...

Yes I know that.

I would start looking for another game real soon if I were you.

That remains to be seen once I make a final assessment of the value of their product vs. the price they will end up charging. Can't say for sure until 1.21 or whenever it is they finally set up P2P. If Diablo III is out by then, my search for another game won't be very long.

If it entertain them for 12-15months...
They can surely enjoy it when its P2P...

Sure it can.

It doesn't matter if its free or not...

Yes it does. Once you have to pay for stuff, customers do a cost/benefit analysis to see what else they can get for the same amount of money. If there are a lot of other better alternatives to spend 12 bucks a month on, they will do it.

Or else why play it?

Because they like the game, of course. BUT, the question is, do they like it enough to pay $12 a month for it?

A game doesn't magically become not entertaining when fees go up, Sorry it doesn't work like that :/.

No, of course it doesn't "magically become not entertaining when fees go up". That's a ridiculous assertions and no one is making that claim. What happens when "fees go up" is that the product for sale is judged alongside its competing products. Right now, playing FF14 is free, so all concerns about competing products is totally irrelevant since price is not a factor. Once price does become a factor, there is a real price value judgement that every consumer is going to make about this game and whether the price justifies the quality of the product.

Okay, so if it's not good enough to pay a sub.. then there are plenty of other F2P MMOs out there that they find to be "good enough to play for free" that will never have a sub.

Aside from the initial purchase of the game (which can be totally avoided with the use of a buddy pass), this game is actually freer to pay, than other "F2P" MMOs since there are no microtransactions involved.

I'd say it's a bit more than just "good enough to play for free" considering how dilligently some of them are fighting to keep it that way. Clearly there are things about the game they enjoy and want to continue playing for, or what would the big deal be? They'd say "Okay, well it was fun while it was free, so now I'll just go find another game".

But that's not quite what they're doing, is it?

Actually, I think that is what they're (most of them) are doing.

Nope, people are stomping, pouting, threatening, demanding, pleading and so on trying to keep it free or substantially discounted...

I wouldn't quite characterize their behavior as such.

From my point of view, it's called "engaging in discussion about how accurately the monthly fee will reflect the quality of product being purchased".

It'll be interesting to see how many of those here who insist they're leaving when subs start actually end up sticking around anyway, proving all their threats, demands and ultimatums to be nothing but hot air.

If the game, at the time of the installation of monthly fees, does in fact live up to their expectations of what a proper MMO should be then they'll stay. If not, they'll leave.

We'll see when we get to that point in time.

[JackDaniels]

Right now, playing FF14 is free, so all concerns about competing products is totally irrelevant since price is not a factor. Once price does become a factor, there is a real price value judgement that every consumer is going to make about this game and whether the price justifies the quality of the product.

Which brings up another point. You think that it's no longer the trendy thing for blow-hard, know-nothing, ''played it for 10 minutes so I can write a credible review'' critics to pick on FFXIV? No. Once this game officially goes pay to play, it will get demolished. It may even drag the metacitric score down even more.

[Starlord]

Yes I know that.


That remains to be seen once I make a final assessment of the value of their product vs. the price they will end up charging. Can't say for sure until 1.21 or whenever it is they finally set up P2P. If Diablo III is out by then, my search for another game won't be very long.


Sure it can.


Yes it does. Once you have to pay for stuff, customers do a cost/benefit analysis to see what else they can get for the same amount of money. If there are a lot of other better alternatives to spend 12 bucks a month on, they will do it.


Because they like the game, of course. BUT, the question is, do they like it enough to pay $12 a month for it?


No, of course it doesn't "magically become not entertaining when fees go up". That's a ridiculous assertions and no one is making that claim. What happens when "fees go up" is that the product for sale is judged alongside its competing products. Right now, playing FF14 is free, so all concerns about competing products is totally irrelevant since price is not a factor. Once price does become a factor, there is a real price value judgement that every consumer is going to make about this game and whether the price justifies the quality of the product.


Aside from the initial purchase of the game (which can be totally avoided with the use of a buddy pass), this game is actually freer to pay, than other "F2P" MMOs since there are no microtransactions involved.


Actually, I think that is what they're (most of them) are doing.


I wouldn't quite characterize their behavior as such.

From my point of view, it's called "engaging in discussion about how accurately the monthly fee will reflect the quality of product being purchased".


If the game, at the time of the installation of monthly fees, does in fact live up to their expectations of what a proper MMO should be then they'll stay. If not, they'll leave.

We'll see when we get to that point in time.

I'm sorry I just don't agree with your Logic.

They knew from the start it was P2P and at some point it was going to happen.
Progessing a character when in the end they will reach a halt when it comes P2P is kinda Stupid ( but to each of there own)

Reasons:

- This is a P2P game since the Beginning ( they just weren't Charging us till they had a roadmap outline, which happened)
- If they enjoyed for this long ( 1 year+), they obviously can enjoy it for 12.99
- If they stopped after three months of playing it I could deeply understand
- Since most players currently playing has played it for 1 year + " when a price goes up" statement is kinda dull imho.
- If they didn't like the game they shouldn't have played it after they realized its not entertaining them

I'm not saying in anyway they should pay for this game, its their money use it as you will. but saying I loved it for a year one moment and the next its " a Broken game" just doesn't add up.

As I said and I'll say it again- If you like the game and what to continue playing it, then pay. If you don't like the game and don't want to continue playing, then don't pay

Simple

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[polyhedral]

Complex

/dazedandconfused

[Neptune]

I think a special, lower price than usual reflects on the principle of the matter. And that's really what concerns people, is principle, reputation, trust, etc.

[Bahn]

A better compromise IMO would be to make a super ultra discounted bulk deal. Like, buy a year's subscription for $6/mo, 6 month sub for $9/mo, or pay $12/mo recurring

THIS THIS THIS. I'll pay for a bulk sub if I get a discounted rate for it!

Edit: You know what I find funny about this thread? There are the same 4 or 5 people defending the $12 sub fee, but I've noticed a steady stream of DIFFERENT people chiming in saying that a $5-$7 sub fee would keep them, but nobody is taking them into account. It's just the same damn people defending SE's decision yelling louder than the new posters in this thread. Guess that's the Internet for ya. Keep trying to convince them Rentahamster. I'll be silently cheering for ya.