[Tanks/Healers]: Are you disappointed there is no new job in 4.0?

[Belhi]

Eh? You obviously have never played 2 different DPS in this game.

There is a reason there are different types of DPS. Just because they have the same red icon, does not mean they have the same role in a party, or even remotely play the same.

I personally can't stand the caster DPS or ranged DPS in this game, yet I love playing Melee DPS.
That alone shows that melee DPS have been unfortunate with only 2 options since the release of 1.0.

NIN, DRG, MNK. That is 3 Melee classes and while they have their own styles (they are different Jobs after all) their category is pretty much the same. Where does this 2 options come from?

As for caster dps, again Range Physical and caster Physical aren't that dramatically different, particularly with cast times on the BRD and MCH now. Are they different? Yeah. They are different Jobs. However functionally the main difference is the rotation, not the role in the group.

I am pretty familiar with every role. I have every job at 60. Really this argument is silly. Dividing DPS up into Ranged and Melee is understandable but your getting a bit carried away.

My issue is I suspect that the problem with Tank and healer balance lies in the Tanking and Healer meta. The meta was build around 2 sub roles and that is always optimal. Unless that meta is changed I don't see balance changing dramatically, just getting shuffled around. As it is all the Jobs are functional in their roles except in some cases maybe PLD. WHM is perfectly capable of healing any content. Its just AST offers more. The Balance issue is less about if a Job can do the content and more about if it is on par with the other Jobs in its role.

I am sceptical we will see any dramatic changes to the Tank/Healer meta. If that is the case, WAR will remain the dominant OT and PLD and DRK will end up fighting over the MT position. Healers will be different as AST straddles both positions, which honestly probably makes it harder to balance.

Does this make it harder to add new Jobs to the meta? Sure but if the meta hasn't changed then its not going to be any easier in 5.0 than it is now so as an argument its pretty empty.

[Llus]

Dividing DPS up into Ranged and Melee is understandable but your getting a bit carried away.

When was the last time you asked your BLM, SMN, DRG, NIN, or MNK for MP? Heavenward got a ranged support DPS role while leaving mele and ranged casters out in the cold. Further, you can break this down by primary stat:

VIT+STR: WAR DRK PLD
STR: MNK DRG
DEX: NIN BRD MCH
INT: BLM SMN
MND: WHM SCH AST

See where there's 3 classes and where there are 2? They're adding 2 new classes to fill the missing 3rd on STR and INT. By the way, that should give you an indication of what your primary and secondary roles are within a party.

[Belhi]

When was the last time you asked your BLM, SMN, DRG, NIN, or MNK for MP? Heavenward got a ranged support DPS role while leaving mele and ranged casters out in the cold. Further, you can break this down by primary stat:

VIT+STR: WAR DRK PLD
STR: MNK DRG
DEX: NIN BRD MCH
INT: BLM SMN
MND: WHM SCH AST

See where there's 3 classes and where there are 2? They're adding 2 new classes to fill the missing 3rd on STR and INT. By the way, that should give you an indication of what your primary and secondary roles are within a party.

So by that logic NIN is similar to BRD? O.o

This is my point. People seem to be trying to divide DPS into a dozen different sub roles to justify there being two dps. There is one logical reason and one alone why we aren't having a tank and healer. They could only make two jobs and tanks and healers missed out this time. Beyond that it starts to get ridiculous. Next you will be dividing them up by the type of damage they do to justify it. Hell with the stats NIN and BRD/MCH and MNK and DRG don't share gear beyond accessories so why the hell does primary stats matter?

[Llus]

So by that logic NIN is similar to BRD? O.o

This is my point. People seem to be trying to divide DPS into a dozen different sub roles to justify there being two dps. There is one logical reason and one alone why we aren't having a tank and healer. They could only make two jobs and tanks and healers missed out this time. Beyond that it starts to get ridiculous. Next you will be dividing them up by the type of damage they do to justify it. Hell with the stats NIN and BRD/MCH and MNK and DRG don't share gear beyond accessories so why the hell does primary stats matter?

Yes, NIN is similar to BRD. They are a support mele role; smokescreen, shadewalker, trick attack, goad, jugulate, dancing edge