Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[HoodRat]

Of course nothing would ever be presented as "an absolute requirement", how could it be? But if the first point on their official advice list for playing a healer is to look for opportunities for DPS, it takes some very advanced mental gymnastics to refuse to believe it means they're actually saying you should DPS when there's an opportunity for it.

Well, to be fair, the better you are at healing the more opportunities you'll have. And one thing I have noticed on this game is that some people have a problem with accepting the fact that they need to improve. For some people, it's a lot easier to convince yourself that the things around you need to change when, in reality, the problem is you. Just look at the forums. :^)

[Feyona]

Well, to be fair, the better you are at healing the more opportunities you'll have. And one thing I have noticed on this game is that some people have a problem with accepting the fact that they need to improve. For some people, it's a lot easier to convince yourself that the things around you need to change when, in reality, the problem is you. Just look at the forums. :^)

That is not my experience they want you skilled BEFORE you enter a static, in my case my first one, there was no one in it to teach me, was supposed to casual, and the other healer wanted to dpsl fine, my healing has never been in question but healing to some is not just healing is it? So struggle with your point. If your a good HEALER will give you more opportunities to learn, but if healer means optimal play, why would I need to have to learn. Or maybe the problem is your attitude? Having opposing views does not mean that one side of it is the problem. Thats why we have wars cos the one side thinks the other should be wiped out

[Taika]

That is not my experience they want you skilled BEFORE you enter a static, in my case my first one, there was no one in it to teach me, was supposed to casual, and the other healer wanted to dpsl fine, my healing has never been in question but healing to some is not just healing is it? So struggle with your point. If your a good HEALER will give you more opportunities to learn, but if healer means optimal play, why would I need to have to learn. Or maybe the problem is your attitude?

You're talking about the absolutely highest difficulty level content the game has to offer and then you say it's unfair that you're expected to actually know your job and it's role before entering that content? No one would welcome a DRG who only knows (or is willing to use) a half of their rotation into a Savage static, either.

At level 60 there's plenty of easier content where you can practice playing your job, and there are tons of guides and all kinds of resources available for anyone who's willing to learn. Then, after you're comfortable with playing your job at level 60 at a level where you can carry your own weight in a team, you're ready to try if you have what it takes to clear Savage.

No Im saying you need to learn it. Your view is that you shouldnt enter it? Unless youve learned how is that possible unless you think that high content is only there for the chosen few at the top and I will totally disagree with you there cos anyone given the will or aptitude to learn it can, given opportunity. I wonder how people feel here being told that high content isnt for them? Well why should I strive now if I find out later that I cant go any further? And this is it I need high content to learn the skills in high content I know the skills and need to apply it

Nowhere did I say this content should be excluded from anyone. If you'll actually read what I wrote, I literally said: after you're comfortable with playing your job at level 60 at a level where you can carry your own weight in a team, you're ready to try if you have what it takes to clear Savage. Learn your job first by practicing in easier content, then when you're comfortable with playing your job, go challenge the hardest content.

[Feyona]

You're talking about the absolutely highest difficulty level content the game has to offer and then you say it's unfair that you're expected to actually know your job and it's role before entering that content? No one would welcome a DRG who only knows (or is willing to use) a half of their rotation into a Savage

No Im saying you need to learn it. Your view is that you shouldnt enter it? Unless youve learned how is that possible unless you think that high content is only there for the chosen few at the top and I will totally disagree with you there cos anyone given the will or aptitude to learn it can, given opportunity. I wonder how people feel here being told that high content isnt for them? Well why should I strive now if I find out later that I cant go any further? And this is it, I need high content to learn the skills in high content. I know the skills and need to apply it. And in reply, I am comfortable with my job, I dont do scholar atm but practice in spare time. Low lvl unfortunatly wil not help me learn it further. I know how no heal in your sense in low levels

[IttyBitty]

No Im saying you need to learn it. Your view is that you shouldnt enter it? Unless youve learned how is that possible unless you think that high content is only there for the chosen few at the top and I will totally disagree with you there cos anyone given the will or aptitude to learn it can, given opportunity. I wonder how people feel here being told that high content isnt for them? Well why should I strive now if I find out later that I cant go any further? And this is it I need high content to learn the skills in high content I know the skills and need to apply it

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You learn your class and how it works in the multitude of content available before you even reach level 60. Then when you are comfortable using everything your class has to offer, you go into harder content to learn the fights, applying the knowledge you already have to the content therein. Savage doesn't require you to start using a different skillset. You may need to use skills you don't otherwise use too often, but you should already know how they work.

[YomiKuzuki]

If you want healers to be able to play how they want, it's only fair for tanks and DPS to do the same.

That ice mage? He's still DPSing, and that's his play style. That tank not popping CDs? He's still holding hate, thus doing his job. DPS that stand in aoe? Still DPSing. NIN not using ninjutsu? They qued as melee DPS, not melee DPS who can do magic damage. DPS not using their support skills? They qued as DPS, not DPS and support. It's not a two way street. Also,as the question still hasn't been answered, what do you do when the party doesn't need healed?

[Feyona]

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You learn your class and how it works in the multitude of content available before you even reach level 60. Then when you are comfortable using everything your class has to offer, you go into harder content to learn the fights, applying the knowledge you already have to the content therein. Savage doesn't require you to start using a different skillset. You may need to use skills you don't otherwise use too often, but you should already know how they work.

Exactly, but in my case wasnt really aware that I was dps in high content , and was happily playing the game thinking I was a healer .Oh noo I know how to play sch now applying and opportunity to practice is problem. I can do fine but not like 1700 dps noooo only top 3% can do that. But let me say this Im not bad at it 50 or so percentile isnt the bottom. Plus I alwys strive to play how I 'should ' play

[vigioX-Sun]

Id never consider myself expert though would I like to be yes but feel theres limitation on my abilities

There is always room for improvement, you can do better but you need to leave the comfort zone, insecurity behind, instead of making a post like this why not make one to ask for advice on how to improve, on my own experience there is ton of great healers out there including ppl posting here that will love an enjoy to teach others.
Never stop improving an sorrund yourself with successful players an eventually you will get the confidence you need.
This is just an advice》 I want you to be better an I want everyone to be better at what they do, tank,dps,healers.
Never stop to improve yourself an this is not only to you but everyone reading this.

[Feyona]

If you want healers to be able to play how they want, it's only fair for tanks and DPS to do the same.

That ice mage? He's still DPSing, and that's his play style.

No need to keep giving me the ice mage lol do you play sch even as a healer? Never mind dps scholar in savage, need a really good co heal and preferrably one that isnt dpsing all the time so you got space to apply dots sf, bio bio ll miasma aero energy drain pet buffs on cd embrace on tank watch cds watch health bars watch for tank buster apply shields reapplyy dots at 3 watch mechanic get out shit, move alot. Oh and I forgot in and out of cleric. succur odd top up aetherflow cds anything else? Oh place pet and broil get out cleric quick someone dying retarget lustrate and indom right after big aoe hit and u do have the ice spell as well lol for adds on a10s plus the switches

[YomiKuzuki]

No need to keep giving me the ice mage lol do you play sch even as a healer? Never mind dps scholar in savage, need a really good co heal and preferrably one that isnt dpsing all the time so you got space to apply dots sf, bio bio ll miasma aero energy drain pet buffs on cd embrace on tank watch cds watch health bars watch for tank buster apply shields reapplyy dots at 3 watch mechanic get out shit, move alot. Oh and I forgot in and out of cleric. succur odd top up aetherflow cds anything else? Oh place pet and broil get out cleric quick someone dying retarget lustrate and indom right after big aoe hit and u do have the ice spell as well lol for adds on a10s plus the switches

Don't pull up Savage. I'm talking about content as a whole. You can't cherry pick your examples.