Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[craized]

mallowpod:

On the flip side of that argument, if you join a dungeon via DF you should expect to find people with differing views and be ready to accommodate that. If you're not you should not queu. To compound the problem is the fact that SE are apparently apathetic to the situation and allow the "differing play styles" excuse.

[Mejingjard]

I think the word "Elitis" lost all meaning here.

If it is "Elitist" to expect a healer doing more than just standing around doing nothing, then you must be FAR FAR FAR below the "poor player" level to see "Average" as an Elitist level.
Seriously, Cleric Stance is on a little 5s cool down, that means that you just have to think for a sec if you can activate it or not. Wow such hard! Very difficult!
When healers will have to heal decent amount of damages, I'll be fine with them only healing. But when the strongest attack from a boss occurs every 3 minutes and cannot take more than a third of my HP, yeah sorry but I expect my healer to do something else than just waiting while the party is fighting.

I played some mmo in the past where healers were stuck to heal only. Well trust me, you quickly rely on others to do the slighest content in the game. FF14 offers you a way to contribute to the group more than just waiting to heal a bit of damages. More than that, it greatly encourage you to do so, by giving you some pretty powerfull skills, like Holy.
You want to heal only ? Do some A12s, here you will have to heal way beyond your pleasure (but honestly, if you consider dpsing in dungeon being too much, I wont trust you in a savage content in order to heal me ^^ )

[Feyona]

Because I have played with good healers? If you have looked at my parses then you need only click on a few and see the healers ranging from 300-700 DPS depending on the fight. My current group is even casual minded and the Scholar prefers healing large portions of the fight. She still manages to DPS despite not melding accuracy. Scholar shouldn't be the main healer ideally but even in that scenario, you can still put up dots. Your co-healer should help

Im sure you have played with good healers. This was never in question. My post was about wanting dps to be optional not forced in all content, and I was geuinely hoping that people here would understand that but seems not.

[Feyona]

No. I'm arguing that people should be allowed to play the game as they see fit without others forcing thier views on them. The role is healer. The clue is in the name. If you get bent out of shape because you think it's something different then that's your issue to deal with.

Exactly that, the healer really should be able to decide if the situation allows that optimal play or not since healing necessity is situational, and so is the ability to be able to change stance and dps according to how much pressure the healing requirements of the group is, and how much pressure the content puts on the healer too.

[Wanzer]

Im sure you have played with good healers. This was never in question. My post was about wanting dps to be optional not forced in all content, and I was geuinely hoping that people here would understand that but seems not.

So after having avoided most of the questions, the facts (even from the questlines, the FFXIV magazine, the hall of the novice etc), people even told you that you are free to play poorly if you want : but it's still not because you are stubborn it's the others obviously ; people just don't understand now. Right. Of course.

[Feyona]

So after having avoided most of the questions, the facts (even from the questlines, the FFXIV magazine, the hall of the novice etc), people even told you that you are free to play poorly if you want : but it's still not because you are stubborn it's the others obviously ; people just don't understand now. Right. Of course.

No havent avoided most of the questions but have a post limit, the ones I have had a 'headbutt' with are the ones I felt I needed to, in defence of others really, as is my nature, but yes Im only human and rise to the bait, as some of you are quite hostile towards others and this spoils the game for many people. There was a post on here from someone who is not english, that says she has never experienced such hostility as she sees here so its not just my opinion, just in case you think its just me that thinks so

[Feyona]

the problem here is that the OP is suggesting that healers should not have to DPS an it should be super fine, like legit an want the world to to the same, you play like you want but dont tell new healers or main healers that it should be that way because is not, your attitude is too lazy im sorry, stay inside your bubble an be hapy that way.
dont encourage other ppl to not be better, thats is the real problem here, we want better healers an yes a healer that can heal&dps is better in every way, commendation for those that push themselves to the limit!

Tank, very good player, does not play healer advocates optimal play, fair enough. Your a good player you demand the same from others, Im not far behind in progression. Id never consider myself expert though would I like to be yes but feel theres limitation on my abilities

[Maltothoris]

*sigh* I have mentioned this already once before in another similar thread but....

So SE publishes an official FFXIV magazine in Japan, and the issue for patch 3.4 came with the Eorzea Job Change Guide for healers (these are aimed at players that already have some experience with the other 2 roles and want to try out healing). And this is a page from it:



the header for this page says:
Healers can DPS too
There is a merit to DPS'ing as a healer since fights will end faster. However, don't forget about about your primary role, so slowly get used to partaking in DPS'ing
it then has the following points:
1. look for a change to DPS
2. get used to cleric stance when DPS'ing
3. remember your DoTs when DPS'ing
4. don't forget your primary role

Just putting this back here since it seemed it was ignored.

[Feyona]

Just putting this back here since it seemed it was ignored.

I didnt ignore it just dont see where its being an absolute requirement, bu some in the community think it is and this is the main issue, The exclusion of people from duties because some do not have the abilities and it becomes the absolute rule forced on people whether they are learning content or not so please tell me where people can learn if they are excuded via peoples attitudes before they even begin? Adding to this Ive played this game for over 2 years, and Im still learng and only the last year has put me in contact with people that can teach me. Even if some have the knowledge they are too busy to be bothered instructing anyone mostly its gtfo of my face cos your lack of being able to play the game is 'harrassing' me. you do know and its agreed that this optimal play its not something comes automatically like me as scholar thinking I was a healer for a year and yes it is WTF I wanted to hea l?

[Taika]

I didnt ignore it just dont see where its being an absolute requirement, bu some in the community think it is and this is the main issue, The exclusion of people from duties because some do not have the abilities and it becomes the absolute rule forced on people whether they are learning content or not so please tell me where people can learn if they are excuded via peoples attitudes before they even begin?

Of course nothing would ever be presented as "an absolute requirement", how could it be? But if the first point on their official advice list for playing a healer is to look for opportunities for DPS, it takes some very advanced mental gymnastics to refuse to believe it means they're actually saying you should DPS when there's an opportunity for it.