Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[Feyona]

Depends on the setting.

Ive been looking up a few parsers myself. Am I right you dont play healer in high end content? Your very good at what you do thats for sure, but how can yo understand what Im saying if you dont. Same as everyone here really, theres only a few players here that have. Even one person saying they do 75% dps I can only see 200 or so dps from on the reports on normal mode, and the healing is less than mine.Not many of you play sch some of the ones that profess to know about healing havent been recorded. It may be circumstancial, but cant see much evidence. yes I hear you, but what some dont realise here That healing savage is not where u get space often, you really need a good co healer but even so Im the main healer now I don feel I got time at all. A9s if I stop healing tank to put regen on ot the tanks already half down his health and there comes another swipe, must be widows not seeing it yet

[Feyona]

And the biggest thing Ive noticed is those calling nme lazy have hardly done a thing to improve their classes sufficiently to get on any reports at all. So Ill approach this from a totally different perpective.

[MallowPod]

Little swipes and then play the victim.
I'll do us both a favour and put you on ignore.

My alt, btw. Tired of lazy people and those encouraging it. Hope more kicks happen so they get the message.

The real problem anyway is more the lack of content. People have to grind the same stuff over and over to get what they want. Two expert dungeons. Running content over and over and over. When that happens people would like an efficient use of their time, rather than be sitting in a dungeon/trial etc with people putting in less effort than they know is capable of the job.

Farming lore, farming birds, doing the same content over and over is going to make you more aware when you're in a party with people not really trying. You can't even level more than one relic at once (270), so you get stuck in the same job, trying to get that done. If the content was fresh and different more often (getting ARF when you do 60 roulette over and over because people are grinding their lore) then I really think people would be more willing to let things go. "Oh a different place with different music" can really help to lighten the grind of things. The amount of lore needed for multiple things is silly.

All the dungeons play out the same. If they made it so it wasn't simply rote then that would go a long, long way. You could never be sure what was going to happen and cleric would be a far greater risk to use. Currently it's not a risk as you know what's coming and when. Simply giving mobs more health isn't really the answer. No one wants to spend two minutes chipping away at the behind of a bird because devs just upped the HP (the FFXI days are gone there).

You want the meta to go away then you need to hope that the team change the way dungeons, trials etc play out. There's no point asking the community to just accept the behaviour as that won't happen. Taking away cleric, without solving the real issue, will just make the job extremely boring and lose people.

[vigioX-Sun]

the problem here is that the OP is suggesting that healers should not have to DPS an it should be super fine, like legit an want the world to to the same, you play like you want but dont tell new healers or main healers that it should be that way because is not, your attitude is too lazy im sorry, stay inside your bubble an be hapy that way.
dont encourage other ppl to not be better, thats is the real problem here, we want better healers an yes a healer that can heal&dps is better in every way, commendation for those that push themselves to the limit!

[MallowPod]

dont encourage other ppl to not be better, thats is the real problem here, we want better healers an yes a healer that can heal&dps is better in every way, commendation for those that push themselves to the limit!

I have someone in my little FC who is currently levelling conjurer (to be WHM). Done two low level dungeons with them and have actively encouraged DPS. Not one death and right at the start they are learning to maximise their role. They'll be levelling with me and another, so that's at least one more healer out there who will be able to stance dance because they've been encouraged right from the start. Seeing people trying to encourage new players to not try is depressing and should be met with a negative reaction.

As I said, until something changes in the way dungeons/trials/raids play out, a lot of people are going to have a negative reaction to 'Heal only' players. I can't see that happening though.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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Because I have played with good healers? If you have looked at my parses then you need only click on a few and see the healers ranging from 300-700 DPS depending on the fight. My current group is even casual minded and the Scholar prefers healing large portions of the fight. She still manages to DPS despite not melding accuracy. Scholar shouldn't be the main healer ideally but even in that scenario, you can still put up dots. Your co-healer should help out to share the healing responsibilities. Once again, no one here has said DPS above all else but that you shouldn't be standing around. If the main tank is dropping that quickly, then he or something else may be the issue here. That all said, it's fine if you're the main healer to focus primarily on healing. It's to be expected, especially in groups where the off healer goes into burst mode. But this hasn't been your argument. You've been advocating healers shouldn't ever have to DPS-- which is what people have taken issue with.

[craized]

A perfect example of what I'm talking about.

[MallowPod]

Snap

We pay the same sub but that doesn't give you free reign to a stranger's time if they don't want to spend it with you. This game isn't one big huggathon where everyone is going to smile and put up with everyone because they pay a sub. Reality is that there are different attitudes towards this, and if you end up on the wrong side of a vote then it's tough. The group deciding together they don't want you is where it ends.

There will always be people who will react to apathetic attitudes negatively. Every MMO I've ever encountered has had what you'd call elitism in the community. It's not going away.

[HoodRat]

A perfect example of what I'm talking about.

And this is exactly why people are being douche bags. You're arguing that healers should be able to stand around doing nothing if no one needs to be healed because they pay the same sub as everyone else...which means you're saying they don't have to do as much work as everyone else because they pay the same amount of money...it makes absolutely zero sense. It doesn't matter how much money you pay, it doesn't matter if you want to have fun, the fact of the matter is: this is a group based game. The needs of the group outweigh your own needs. If the group decides they want to kick you, then maybe you should think about why you were kicked and improve if necessary. Do people abuse the votekick system? Yes they do, unfortunately that's just something we all have to deal with from time to time. But I guarantee that if you strive to improve and play your job well, you won't have as much a problem with getting kicked from parties as other people have. Unfortunately, some people would obviously rather spend their time trying to weasel out of their responsibilities to the group on the forum instead of improving themselves.

[craized]

No. I'm arguing that people should be allowed to play the game as they see fit without others forcing thier views on them. The role is healer. The clue is in the name. If you get bent out of shape because you think it's something different then that's your issue to deal with.