Got kicked from The Aetherochemical Research Facility by mentor

[Valenth]

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I can see where you're coming from but in the end I think kindness and understanding brings out the best in people. I also think that if you use the DF to go into dungeons you accept potentially having a slower run and running into new or less capable players. After all, that's why we get extra rewards, right? If there is a completely new player to the duty, especially a MSQ one, don't be a douche. Show how 'superior' your play is by maximising the situation while adjusting to accomodate and teach the new player in a kind and understanding way. Share your experience, try to make the new player feel comfortable so that later in their playtime they'll be a better AND friendlier player.

Anyway, the fast play you probably refer to as superior isn't being villainized here - efficiency is actually very good. It's the unexceptance from a mentor such as in the OP's situation which is. A mentor's job is literally stated in-game to be, when you click on accept for the mentor status, to accommodate to new players in proper etiquette. This accommodation in the shape of growing efficient and learning takes time, for some more than others. Denying said learning moments by kicking isn't helping at all. Kicking people instead of helping them, and you'll find people generally respond a LOT better to kindness and understanding, will in the long run contribute to a lower skillset of the community for we deny new people proper learning. For those of you wondering (and complaining) why the game continues to get easier: it's because it needs to be... and perhaps now we know why. Take time to properly teach your fellow player if you see them struggle instead of excluding, denying, bad mouthing and avoiding them. Not doing so is the thing that gets villainized here, because this behaviour is detrimental to our community, game and enjoyment in the long run.

[Sylve]

But there are d-bags everywhere. Crowned and uncrowned.

The funny thing is the healer wouldn't have had any time to dps in this run, being that they'd have to spam heals at the DDs to keep them alive lol.

Had a run in Sohm Al leveling my DRG where the Paladin, in full i260 collects up all the mobs in the first room, then gets confused why he died. 2 DRGs and a new Healer and he thought he could play a leveling dungeon like it was Ex Roulette.
To his credit, he acknowledged that was a dumb move and we got normal sized pulls after that lol.

[Callinon]

The funny thing is the healer wouldn't have had any time to dps in this run, being that they'd have to spam heals at the DDs to keep them alive lol.

Had a run in Sohm Al leveling my DRG where the Paladin, in full i260 collects up all the mobs in the first room, then gets confused why he died. 2 DRGs and a new Healer and he thought he could play a leveling dungeon like it was Ex Roulette.
To his credit, he acknowledged that was a dumb move and we got normal sized pulls after that lol.

Thing is, a leveling dungeon is pretty much going to take 30-35 minutes no matter how fast you pull things. That's just the way it is... because you're leveling. You don't have all your tools and your gear probably sucks.

In the run I described I did consider pulling multiple packs and dying to prove the point to them. The problem with that is that purposefully pulling more than I know I can handle and wiping the group would have ACTUALLY been my fault. I already hate being wrong about things. Why would I do it on purpose?

[kupokage]

Folks bashed the mentor for not mentoring and instead kicking. So the mentor telling OP to "pull all" isnt mentoring? Get this; Im a new salesman at a car dealership. Never sold cars before. The 5 year sales veteran appointed by my manager to mentor me tells me how to sell but I respond with "Eh, Im more comfortable selling my way instead (despite never having sold cars before. Derp)" I proceed to perform at a minimal level. I get fired. Blaming n cursing everyone on the way out. "I was selling! Just not as fast as the dealership wanted." Blah blah blah. You get the point.

I dont understand how when youre "new" at something and someone who isnt new tells you how to do said thing, you dont try it at least once. Is it because you already know half of the forums will say that mentor is wrong? Is it because its out of your comfort zone? Because you know better despite never having done it before?

Good job SE for opening up HW for the untested bunch to flood 3.0+ ques.

[SilkaN]

Folks bashed the mentor for not mentoring and instead kicking. So the mentor telling OP to "pull all" isnt mentoring? Get this; Im a new salesman at a car dealership. Never sold cars before. The 5 year sales veteran appointed by my manager to mentor me tells me how to sell but I respond with "Eh, Im more comfortable selling my way instead (despite never having sold cars before. Derp)" I proceed to perform at a minimal level. I get fired. Blaming n cursing everyone on the way out. "I was selling! Just not as fast as the dealership wanted."

You should think of it more as engineers operating complex machines. The veteran knows what to do and how to operate it in the most effective way, but the newcomer doesn't. He wants to learn it one step at a time because one error can screw up the whole process. The veteran doesn't care / have the patience and just shoves the newcomer aside and does it themselves.

Sounds awesome, right? The newcomer doesn't get the chance to learn what to do.

[kupokage]

You should think of it more as engineers operating complex machines. The veteran knows what to do and how to operate it in the most effective way, but the newcomer doesn't. He wants to learn it one step at a time because one error can screw up the whole process. The veteran doesn't care / have the patience and just shoves the newcomer aside and does it themselves.

Sounds awesome, right? The newcomer doesn't get the chance to learn what to do.

I respectfully disagree. You cant compare the two. What you described is Savage Raid type content. There is nothing complex about gathering more than one group of mobs and holding aggro. Ya know, its just doing the same thing twice in overlapping fashion this thing of "pulling more than one group at a time." Nothing complex about it.

[Callinon]

I respectfully disagree. You cant compare the two. What you described is Savage Raid type content. There is nothing complex about gathering more than one group of mobs and holding aggro. Ya know, its just doing the same thing twice in overlapping fashion this thing of "pulling more than one group at a time." Nothing complex about it.

That's great if you're comfortable doing that. But if you're not familiar with the dungeon or maybe a little shaky about your tanking (maybe due to experience, maybe due to gear), taking it slower until you're comfortable just makes sense.

[Juicinators]

Folks bashed the mentor for not mentoring and instead kicking. So the mentor telling OP to "pull all" isnt mentoring? Get this; Im a new salesman at a car dealership. Never sold cars before. The 5 year sales veteran appointed by my manager to mentor me tells me how to sell but I respond with "Eh, Im more comfortable selling my way instead (despite never having sold cars before. Derp)" I proceed to perform at a minimal level. I get fired. Blaming n cursing everyone on the way out. "I was selling! Just not as fast as the dealership wanted." Blah blah blah. You get the point. .

Why do people compare video games to real life jobs. We paying to play this game, not getting paid.

[kupokage]

That's great if you're comfortable doing that. But if you're not familiar with the dungeon or maybe a little shaky about your tanking (maybe due to experience, maybe due to gear), taking it slower until you're comfortable just makes sense.

Ive never kicked or agreed to kick a tank who mass pulled and failed due to being undergeared. But I have left groups where the tank is overgeared and pulling one group at a time. I mass pulled as a PLD, I stance danced as a SCH and restored TP/MP as a MCH. Throw me into the next patch of new dungeons and I will mass pull, stance dance and restore from the word "commence". You run one dungeon, youve ran them all.

Nothing elitist about me at all. Im a casual gamer, but a casual gamer since 2.0. And this "im new" security blanket 60s drape on themselves is pathetic. You arent running Satasha NM as a new leaf, youre 60 levels deep into the 3.0 content.

[Callinon]

Ive never kicked or agreed to kick a tank who mass pulled and failed due to being undergeared. But I have left groups where the tank is overgeared and pulling one group at a time. I mass pulled as a PLD, I stance danced as a SCH and restored TP/MP as a MCH. Throw me into the next patch of new dungeons and I will mass pull, stance dance and restore from the word "commence". You run one dungeon, youve ran them all.

Nothing elitist about me at all. Im a casual gamer, but a casual gamer since 2.0. And this "im new" security blanket 60s drape on themselves is pathetic. You arent running Satasha NM as a new leaf, youre 60 levels deep into the 3.0 content.

It's possible not everyone is as good a player as you claim to be