Naoki Yoshida's Comment in Regard to Jump Potions/Boost Potions

[Jandor]

There's dozens upon dozens of examples of better ways to fix the problem, but I guarantee you Square will see money and release the potion as-is instead of actually trying to better the game.

There are many better ways, and up till now SE have been quite good about keeping old content relevant and gradually making catching up to current max easier.
This 180 is part of what is so disappointing about this decision.

Streamlining the content to make it easier would mean a lot of development time to do something that still doesn't resolve the issue, and is still outside current tropes of the MMO market, which would then make this game less competitive, and would make it hard to get new players in vs the other MMO's out. Its not a secret that the active subscriber numbers have been dwindling, and if FFXIV wants any chance to attract new players, it has to follow what's expected of MMO's today. every other high-quality popular MMO does it. it would be pretentious for fxiv not to.

The high-quality popular MMO market is not quite what it once was. We could theorize all day about why this is, but it's clear jump potions haven't exactly fixed it.
My personal opinion is it's at least partly because MMO's look like blatant rip-offs to outsiders. Buy our game, buy the expansion, pay for the subscription, then pay once more to actually play the expansion. How the hell is that supposed to attract new players? (SE have hinted that they don't intend to give any boosts away for free.)

Also, I believe ESO doesn't offer a level skipping potion, and even if they do they still chose to sink quite a lot of time into reworking large amounts of the game. It's doing pretty well as a result of that effort from what I've heard.

[Rexxn]

As someone who has never played an FF game, mostly because i hate the endless cutscenes and couldn't care less about the story, i came into this game with reservations. The only issue i ran into is the endless stream of BS fetch/talky/errand girl nonsense that was the "storyline" between 2.0 and 3.0. If i had come in at the beginning of an expansion i would have been livid to find that i was stuck behind this wall of filler quests.

It's not the leveling that's the issue. I've played a lot of other games where character boosts and things like that have been, initially at least, pretty much the death of LFG. Huge influxes of morons trying to jump into dungeons on classes they have no idea how to play made it so no one would solo queue. Maybe this isn't happening on Korean servers, but Koreans and NA/European players are very different animals.

TL;DR
Story skip potion- A+, make it cheap and easy to get
Job skip potion- kill it with fire, make this thing expensive as hell

[SDaemon]

I've played a lot of other games where character boosts and things like that have been, initially at least, pretty much the death of LFG. Huge influxes of morons trying to jump into dungeons on classes they have no idea how to play made it so no one would solo queue. Maybe this isn't happening on Korean servers, but Koreans and NA/European players are very different animals.

Any influx of new players is going to cause this because leveling does not teach you how to perform your job at level cap. It doesn't prepare you for it, it doesn't train you for it, all the leveling process does is raise your level. You can FATE spam or PoTD spam mashing buttons to level cap. This HUGE influx that people are trying to predict of players not knowing how to perform their jobs? Yeah, it already happens. It is already here and it is going to continue to happen. The level skip won't make it worse, the influx of new players whether it is from player's leveling normally or skipping will be the same. You will find large groups of player's who have no idea how to play their job.

[Rexxn]

Of course, but at least people who are button mashing and FATE/PotD spamming have a passing familiarity with the class. Oh course they aren't going to be top flight but anything is better than the derp that gets is shiny new tank sword, some crapola gear and then charges face first into a level 50 dungeon to wipe the party a dozen times before they kick him. Again, not saying this doesn't happen now, but as seen with things like WoW when they implemented the boost tokens, it's painful until the newness wears off. Honestly they aren't a terrible idea, especially for people who want to level alts but making them cheap and easy to get would be a horrible mistake and a disservice to the player base in general.

[SDaemon]

Of course, but at least people who are button mashing and FATE/PotD spamming have a passing familiarity with the class.

Because spamming an AOE heal through FATEs like your button needed to die gives you a passing familiarity with your class...

[Rexxn]

Because spamming an AOE heal through FATEs like your button needed to die gives you a passing familiarity with your class...

K obviously you have no interest in a discussion, you simply want to be right. Buh bye then.

[SDaemon]

K obviously you have no interest in a discussion, you simply want to be right. Buh bye then.

Because I pointed out a flaw in your argument? How does button mashing and spamming a single button to generate aggro, whether it be flash or helios or medica etc, again and again and again running between FATEs, give someone a passing familiarity with their class?

[Rexxn]

Because I pointed out a flaw in your argument? How does spamming a single button to generate aggro, whether it be flash or helios or medica etc, again and again and again running between FATEs, give someone a passing familiarity with their class?

By actually leveling you get to acquire abilities gradually and most people generally will take time to at least read them, thus generating more familiarity than someone who is hit with 50-60 levels worth of abilities at once. You get the entire sum of the abilities you have at 60 and you're gonna miss something or screw it up entirely at least for a while. Yes you can continue to make the argument that this happens now, but imagine how much WORSE it can be. That's the point, not that it happens now, that it can be WORSE. Hence why i personally dislike the idea of an easy/cheap boost pot for class.

[SDaemon]

By actually leveling you get to acquire abilities gradually and most people generally will take time to at least read them, thus generating more familiarity than someone who is hit with 50-60 levels worth of abilities at once. You get the entire sum of the abilities you have at 60 and you're gonna miss something or screw it up entirely at least for a while. Yes you can continue to make the argument that this happens now, but imagine how much WORSE it can be. That's the point, not that it happens now, that it can be WORSE. Hence why i personally dislike the idea of an easy/cheap boost pot for class.

What is stopping those who level skip from reading what their abilities do and becoming familiar with them in the same fashion those who FATE/PoTD spammed did? I can imagine it being much worse regardless of a level skip potion. Because the factor to think of here isn't how they are leveling it is whether or not they are reading what their abilities do and figuring out how to play and that is completely independent of how they leveled.

Who would you trust more. A player who leveled in PotD doing nothing but spamming buttons or a person who level skipped, took the time to read what their abilities do and how to perform a proper rotation? We've already seen the influx of the former because the latter doesn't exist at the moment. But when it does happen, how would you tell the different between the two and what is to blame? The level skip potion? Or the fact that players simply don't take the time to learn their jobs regardless of how they leveled?

Any level skipper who doesn't take the time to learn how to play, would almost certainly do the same if they had to level normally, creating the same situation regardless of how they leveled.

[WeekendSoja]

What is stopping those who level skip from reading what their abilities do and becoming familiar with them in the same fashion those who FATE/PoTD spammed did? I can imagine it being much worse regardless of a level skip potion. Because the factor to think of here isn't how they are leveling it is whether or not they are reading what their abilities do and figuring out how to play and that is completely independent of how they leveled.

Who would you trust more. A player who leveled in PotD doing nothing but spamming buttons or a person who level skipped, took the time to read what their abilities do and how to perform a proper rotation? We've already seen the influx of the former because the latter doesn't exist at the moment. But when it does happen, how would you tell the different between the two and what is to blame? The level skip potion? Or the fact that players simply don't take the time to learn their jobs regardless of how they leveled?

I agree with you SDaemon. I read people posting about needing to go through all the trouble of leveling to pseudo-learn their job...that is baseless assumptions on the "blind" or "rose-tinted glasses" portion of the ffxiv community. If people saw real numbers attached to their characters output, I think people would realize that a jump potion will definitely not stop under-performing players from hitting max level. This is supported by what is seen in current duty finder expert roulette's. (Here comes the DF train! lol always funny to see people back-up poor play with such vigor when DF roulette is mention, I look forward to the responses!)

With this new patch of 3.5 its like the baddies just came out in force. DRG's doing 700 DPS, the...average 260+ player doing 1200-1500 DPS...

I feel good when I hear that I am doing almost half of the parties total DPS just by myself. I think being able to do my job well is fun. What I don't appreciate is that there's this group of players who are either intentionally being lazy or are trying their best but have absolutely no clue what they are doing that is stifling the community. People complain now about not being to complete Savage content, they complain its meant for 5% of the total subscription base. This tiers Savage content isn't even that hard...all it takes is you learning your job...but 95% of the player-base will not be able to do it during this contents relative "significance" period. (Gonna love the excuses...*Ahem* reasons people are going to give regarding why they don't raid..."I don't like how the gear become obsolete so quickly." "I don't want to be held down by a schedule." "I don't like content that is just a dance...cause its too easy (Guy with no clears)" "This content is only for the elites." Once again, I look forward to your replies.)

This game has been out for a while with no jump potion and only 5% of the player-base can actually play their job...jump potions ain't gonna ruin the other 95% of the games player-base cause these players will be playing the game just as proficiently as you will be playing the game lol.

Again SDaemon, I agree with what you say, just had to add my little rant cause people want to stay blind to the truth of the matter, that 95% of this games player-base can only perform at half of the efficiency of a player that actually knows how to play their job.