Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[ToasterMan]

I think the reason some healers really don't like cleric stance is because of the 5 second cool down on it. That's an long time were I can't do any healing

[HoodRat]

I think the reason some healers really don't like cleric stance is because of the 5 second cool down on it. That's an long time were I can't do any healing

The best solution to that is to learn. Learn your class so you know what options you have in case you need to drop cleric stance asap or things you can do to help you stay in cleric longer. Learn the fight. Learn when you need to heal and when it's safe to dps. But for some reason, people would rather spend their time on the forums complaining about having to dps instead of playing the game and learning how to do it. That's why this issue will never end unless SE does something about it.

[ToasterMan]

The best solution to that is to learn. Learn your class so you know what options you have in case you need to drop cleric stance asap or things you can do to help you stay in cleric longer. Learn the fight. Learn when you need to heal and when it's safe to dps. But for some reason, people would rather spend their time on the forums complaining about having to dps instead of playing the game and learning how to do it. That's why this issue will never end unless SE does something about it.

Oh I already know what I'm doing. I DPS all the time. I just try to look at it from someone else's point of view. 5 seconds is an eternity, a lot can happen during those five seconds (And another two for the cast itself if tetra is on CD). If a dps gets himself killed because I wasn't able to heal him in time due to swapping into cleric, guess who's fault that is?

[Dement]

Oh I already know what I'm doing. I DPS all the time. I just try to look at it from someone else's point of view. 5 seconds is an eternity, a lot can happen during those five seconds (And another two for the cast itself if tetra is on CD). If a dps gets himself killed because I wasn't able to heal him in time due to swapping into cleric, guess who's fault that is?

Fault would depend on what gets the DPS killed... if he stood in a cleave or an AoE or some other avoidable damage then it's the DPS' fault. If he died because he wasn't topped off before the healer entered cleric's stance and raid wide damage caused the wipe then it would be the healers.

Outside of very scripted tankbusters, though, there really isn't anything that can drop a tank from 100% to 0% in 7.5 seconds unless the tank isn't properly using their toolkit or is really undergeared.

[ToasterMan]

Fault would depend on what gets the DPS killed... if he stood in a cleave or an AoE or some other avoidable damage then it's the DPS' fault. If he died because he wasn't topped off before the healer entered cleric's stance and raid wide damage caused the wipe then it would be the healers.

Outside of very scripted tankbusters, though, there really isn't anything that can drop a tank from 100% to 0% in 7.5 seconds unless the tank isn't properly using their toolkit or is really undergeared.

If the DPS was actually at fault or not is irrelevant. DPS usually blame the healer even if it's their own fault. If you want proof of that go check out the DF stories mega thread. Same scenario has happened to me a few times. My entire point is that I can see why healers can be reluctant to go into cleric. I don't encourage it but I can see why.

[IttyBitty]

If the DPS was actually at fault or not is irrelevant. DPS usually blame the healer even if it's their own fault. If you want proof of that go check out the DF stories mega thread. Same scenario has happened to me a few times. My entire point is that I can see why healers can be reluctant to go into cleric. I don't encourage it but I can see why.

Knowing where the fault lies means you can be confident in your decision making, and thus whether them bitching is something you can disregard. Always be prepared to own your own mistakes; don't own those that others make.

[bounddreamer]

If a dps gets himself killed because I wasn't able to heal him in time due to swapping into cleric, guess who's fault that is?

If he took avoidable damage, it was the dps' fault, actually.

Perfect example is the Zurvan opener. Phase one, my co-healer and I put a shield and regen on the tank and we go full cleric stance until we drop.

The BLM stands in the aoe puddle and takes a hit. He can take the hit from ONE puddle. That's an acceptable trade off so that he doesn't have to move and can keep casting his 14k crit fire IVs. We save a tetra or essential dignity for that. If he finds himself standing in two or more puddles, he's going to get nuked and it's his own fault and he knows it.


Another example from Zurvan: if you don't get behind biting Halberd in time and you take a big hit, that was avoidable damage. If soar happens right after and you stand in the fire with a vulnerability debuff, that was all avoidable and if you die it is, in fact, your fault.

Did Weeping City a few weeks ago. We had a dps who stood in every possible mechanic there was to stand in during Ozma; spread bleed around the party, stood in orbs during square phase when they had the lowest health, then complained the healers didn't save them and returned after dying. Whose fault was it? Healers did their best to keep that person alive.