New Housing Zone + Moving existing house

[Altena]

So to make sure we don't disapoint the few ones that managd to get a house we should agree to prevent the vast majority of player from a feature ?
Plus, don't forget we might get some new players with SB like we did with Heavensward and for those ones, getting a house is completly out of reach so bad ad for SE :/

Don't get me wrong, I don't entirely agree with their choices, I am just stating what is possibly going through their minds. They stuffed up and it's too late to fix it - especially when a bunch of those people spent the crazy 300 million gil on housing launch for a Mansion on some servers..

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This is where you are flat out wrong.


The transfer system has 0 impact on people telling their friends or other player that their old plot is going up for sale. Both Shougun and I have gone over this.

People can already do this, regardless of a move feature or not. People WILL do this regardless of the move feature or not.
The move feature doesn't suddenly make this more possible, or more viable. It will happen.

IF the move feature was restricted to FCs, people who wish to move to the new zone have to relinquish their house before the plots in the new zone go on sale.
This means they can do it tomorrow, or 3 weeks from now, or 2 days before the new plots go on sale. This time is extremely unpredictable and leaves no opportunity for anyone to snatch it up.
The move feature however would force movers to do it as soon as the new wards are open. This time is extremely predictable as it will undoubtedly be the moment the new wards open.
So in actual fact - adding a move feature would IMPROVE the odds of a non-friend or FC member from grabbing the plot.

Either way - there is still a net gain in total population who don't own houses, that now do. Networking with other people in a multiplayer game is advantageous. I recommend that if you desire a plot in an older ward, you talk to people who are considering on moving. If you don't desire an old ward, then have fun with the server rush when the new wards go on sale.

I mean, even me talking so openly about moving on the official forums puts a flag on my house as someone who will be attempting to move when the new wards are released.

[Domeric]

So, let me properly understand this. You say it's fair that you have a house and homeless people don't, because you had money when housing was available and homeless people didn't. But, this is somehow unfair to you, because you won't have the money to just straight-out buy the house when Shirogane is made available?

[Altena]

So, let me properly understand this. You say it's fair that you have a house and homeless people don't, because you had money when housing was available and homeless people didn't. But, this is somehow unfair to you, because you won't have the money to just straight-out buy the house when Shirogane is made available?

Repeating myself again. Please read the thread.

It goes beyond that.

We spent our gil to obtain our house. People who don't have a house didn't.
It is unfair that we would essentially have to pay double the cost of a house if we were to relinquish it, whereas those who don't have a house would pay the normal amount for a plot.
Furthermore it is a risk. A 50 million gil risk.
We could effectively spend the gil on the original house, forced to relinquish it, and end up with nothing. No gaurentee our previous plot would still be up for grabs if we failed to get one in the new zone.

So no. It is not fair if the move feature is only for FCs.

[Dustytome]

It is unfair that we would essentially have to pay double the cost of a house if we were to relinquish it

We don't know the cost just yet. It may be that we pay the full price for the plot and the move ability is just for convenience. Would be nice if someone from the SE staff would comb through this and confirm/deny information.

- Will it really be fc only?
- Will there actually be an offset between the move feature becoming active and the new housing district being open for purchase?
- Is the cost of moving the same as the cost of buying the plot fresh, if not what's the formula being used for pricing?
- Can you get to the new housing area without the expansion if your fc house is there? What if you don't have the expansion or a direct teleport (for player events, hanging out with friends with whom your not a tenant)?
- Are there restrictions for the move feature?
- What all gets moved by the move feature (ex: private rooms, workshop, airship, furniture that blows up on removal)?
- How is furniture handled during the move process?

We need someone to do a housing interview. :|

[Domeric]

Repeating myself again. Please read the thread.

It goes beyond that.

We spent our gil to obtain our house. People who don't have a house didn't.
It is unfair that we would essentially have to pay double the cost of a house if we were to relinquish it, whereas those who don't have a house would pay the normal amount for a plot.
Furthermore it is a risk. A 50 million gil risk.
We could effectively spend the gil on the original house, forced to relinquish it, and end up with nothing. No gaurentee our previous plot would still be up for grabs if we failed to get one in the new zone.

So no. It is not fair if the move feature is only for FCs.

Why?

Why are you entitled to choose a new house after having a house whilst others were denied them? They're currently ready and prepared to purchase a house in Shirogane. I'm just saying, by what you've said fair is fair.

[Stormrider]

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You are not looking at it from perspective full servers. Players On a full server like Balmung and Gilgamesh Know that they are in a huge risk when houses come up. I am not against allowing you to move or saving gil. Yet in your world the people who paid extra for their house would be entitled to a refund since they saved and new people got houses at a different price.

I am against SE implementing a feature that creates benefits for marketing and moving. You literally play on a server that has half the players. People will literally have to relinquish seconds before they go down and be in place seconds before they go up. Their will be no days or weeks. In fact I am sure a lot of players on these servers will not relinquish house unless A) they must have that theme or B) think they have some awesome plan. SE has done nothing to manage houses on these servers.

Instead of having a move feature they could just give your gil back and put you amongst the masses.

[Anzaman]

Then again server was never meant to have that many players as for example Balmung currently has -- remember seeing plenty of crashes on your side. They need to re-do the housing system sooner or later, current system is just too limited for masses - especially since players tend to flock to same server, even with paywall between them.

Even if personal houses would be denied from house transfer, it wouldn't fix the housing issue - we are going to get threads about lack of housing, with or without transfer - and without transfer system for personal houses, we'll see some threads being angry at SE since they took the risk and had bad luck and lost on both ends, now retainers and inventory full of housing items and nowhere to put them - can't even re-sell them on MB.

But oh well, I've already been tasked to attempt to grab Mansion from Shirogane for Free Company once the area opens for transfer.

[Altena]

Why?

Why are you entitled to choose a new house after having a house whilst others were denied them? They're currently ready and prepared to purchase a house in Shirogane. I'm just saying, by what you've said fair is fair.

Because -
1) Current private estate owners did not have the luxury of knowing there would be another housing zone released, let alone what theme it was. Giving them the option to move into this new zone is only fair otherwise many current private estate owners would have likely held off on purchasing one in the current wards. Myself included.. If SE said 12 months ago "hey guys we are planning an eastern themed housing zone in an expansion. Please look forward to it". I personally would not have purchased a house, along with many others.

2) Not allowing current private estate owners to move, means that the only plots available in the older zones (which are still more desired by many) are the fairly limited FCs that will manage to successfully move. Shuffling houses only gives people more options as to which zone to purchase a house in.

3) Without a moving feature you are forcing those that did buy a house, whether that be the first wave or the most recent and really desire this new plot that was not an option at the time, to spend literally double the cost of a plot (at best). This also poses the risk of losing both - in which case that 5-300 million gil will have absolutely nothing to show for it. You seem to be new so let me put this into perspective for you - the first wave of houses on some servers cost 300 million gil.

4) I will quote Shougun on this one (again) as he said it really well. Just because someone owns an iFun 5, doesn't mean they should not be able to get an iFun 6 when it's released. Or in other words, "you have an old one, so give me a new one!"

5) Being locked out of the option to enjoy new content because you are locked into old content, is flat out rediculous.


I argue that it is those that don't have a house and are arguing that the move feature shouldn't be for private estate owners are the ones that are acting "entitled". None of us in here are suggesting that private estate owners should take priority. People are simply saying that they should be given a fair chance.

So the only ones acting entitled are those that seem to have some wound up level of spite toward those of us that do have a house, by expecting priority in purchasing a house in the new zone.

You are not looking at it from perspective full servers. Players On a full server like Balmung and Gilgamesh Know that they are in a huge risk when houses come up. I am not against allowing you to move or saving gil. Yet in your world the people who paid extra for their house would be entitled to a refund since they saved and new people got houses at a different price.

I am against SE implementing a feature that creates benefits for marketing and moving. You literally play on a server that has half the players. People will literally have to relinquish seconds before they go down and be in place seconds before they go up. Their will be no days or weeks. In fact I am sure a lot of players on these servers will not relinquish house unless A) they must have that theme or B) think they have some awesome plan. SE has done nothing to manage houses on these servers.

Instead of having a move feature they could just give your gil back and put you amongst the masses.

I am in the 3rd most populated server according to census. Yes Balmung and Gilga are both heavily populated, however if that's an issue for you then feel free to move. Since if I recall, you suggested that I move in a previous post. (lol).

The last wave of houses, the houses sold within 5 mins on our server.

You also completely misunderstand my point. So let me go over it in a more simple term for you.

Let's pretend there is no move feature for a second here.
I want to buy a house in the new ward. I am on a busy server.
The patch isn't out for 6 months.
I send a message to my friend - "Hey buddy, you want my old house? I am going to try and get one in the new ward when it comes out".
You both gather at the house, do the swap, transaction done. No one on the server is none the wiser.
This happened 6 months before the patch.
Stormblood comes out and I buy a new house.

There - done.. No move feature.. Friend got old house, I got new house..

Now let's add a move feature..
I want to buy a house in the new ward. I am on a busy server.
The new housing ward is about to open. THE BEST I can do to secure my buddy a house is to say "Hey I am going to try and get a new house so you can try to snap it up when I do the swap."
The timing on this is WHEN THE NEW WARDS COME OUT. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not in 5 weeks. But on release of the new ward. This timing is predictable.
Anyone can literally be strolling through the wards and see this pop up - as people will be looking for it at this time.

Now your comment about refunding gil / putting old house back up.. HOW IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT?!
I mean where is your logic in this?
"Hey buddy.. SE are going to refund my house, so feel free to go pick it up when that happens. It will happen on XX day."
No one but you and the people you tell are going to know that your house is going to go back up for sale.
This will happen, whether it be a relinquish, or a move, or a refund.

Again, the move feature is honestly the best option for both parties - those that want a house and don't have one, and those that wish to move.

[Stormrider]

So the only ones acting entitled are those that seem to have some wound up level of spite toward those of us that do have a house, by expecting priority in purchasing a house in the new zone.

And I say they shouldn't have a move feature at all. They should just let people have their gil back at the start of 4.0 if they want and hold those house till they launch the new zone. It is not spiteful I don't trust SE to FFFFFFFFFFFFF this up in some way like every other housing patch.

[Dustytome]

Now let's add a move feature..
I want to buy a house in the new ward. I am on a busy server.
The new housing ward is about to open. THE BEST I can do to secure my buddy a house is to say "Hey I am going to try and get a new house so you can try to snap it up when I do the swap."
The timing on this is WHEN THE NEW WARDS COME OUT. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not in 5 weeks. But on release of the new ward. This timing is predictable.
Anyone can literally be strolling through the wards and see this pop up - as people will be looking for it at this time.

In addition to this, on servers where housing is snapped up immediately there's a flurry to login and often times people will have to attempt multiple logins. Most likely you're not going to wait on your friend to login to hit up your desired area. They have a heads up, but they have to manage to successfully sign in and stay connected long enough to grab the old plot if they even want it.