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  1. #1841
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    I still don't see the boost as an unfair advantage. It's not exactly being an advantage over those who have played since 2010, 2013, or today. If FFXIV didn't make its lore a literal wall (needing to beat HW to gain access to SB and needing to beat 2.55 to gain access to HW), the boost/skip probably wouldn't even be considered.

    I also want to respond to your hyperbole again, where you claim people won't help newbies for whatever reason. That's already happening and that's with people who have levelled up to 60 normally. The Boost isn't going to 'speed up' the process of ignoring newbies, either. Heck, by the time a newbie who levels up normally reaches level 70, they'll eventually get to the same 'level' as everyone else (especially if patch 4.X hasn't come out and everyone is just doing the same stuff) who has been playing since 2010, 2013-today and boosted.
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    Last edited by Nestama; 02-23-2017 at 06:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    buying a weapon/gear that's stronger than what currently is available would only buy you the time until equal or better gear comes out
    Nope, that will be pay to win. Even if our gear gets outdated each big patch. The fact that you have gear that is not available in game with better stats unless you spend $$$ is pay to win.

    However that is a different story when it comes to leveling. You are not different from the rest if you buy a jump potion. You are not buying jump potion to reach level 80 for example.
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  3. #1843
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    I still don't see the boost as an unfair advantage. It's not exactly being an advantage over those who have played since 2010, 2013, or today. If FFXIV didn't make its lore a literal wall (needing to beat HW to gain access to SB and needing to beat 2.55 to gain access to HW), the boost/skip probably wouldn't even be considered.
    But why not then fix the problem with the filler story? Why not make the end of ARR 2.0 be the gate to HW, and HW end of 3.0 being the gate to SB? Make the remaining filler story an optional portion that you can choose to leap via an NPC at any time after beating the core version MSQ?

    You could even go so far as to abridge the MSQ from the tedious filler quests to make it more streamlined.

    But these things require thought and effort, where a potion is an instant fix-all that also puts undeserved cash in Square's pocket, that's why.

    And any time there's an easy mode button that can be ransomed for real money, there's a person who's going to take advantage of it, because opening your wallet is far easier than putting in effort and hard work. And the problem with that is a person's skill is only as good as the time and effort they put in to hone it.... which then floods the current players who understand the game and mechanics, and demonstrated the dedication to get where they are with players who don't have a horse in the race and got everything with their wallet and not by earning it (and thus are handed the keys to a car before they even know how to drive it).

    It's the same glaring flaws over and over and over. There's dozens upon dozens of examples of better ways to fix the problem, but I guarantee you Square will see money and release the potion as-is instead of actually trying to better the game.
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    Last edited by szalkerous; 02-23-2017 at 06:10 AM.

  4. #1844
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    I still maintain my critique of jump potions. They aren't bad because they're pay-to-win (I don't think they are, or at least they are a rather harmless form of it). They are bad because they are a low-effort cash grab on SE's part that lets them pretend that the problem of content gating from ARR to HW to SB via the MSQ is "solved". It's not. They're just charging you money to get around their problem.
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  5. #1845
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    Quote Originally Posted by szalkerous View Post
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    Because the lore is literally being the cause of the problem. If they make Ishgard available in 2.0, they would need to redo the 2.4 and 2.55 storyline. Maybe even the level 35-40 quests.
    Same can be said for Stormblood (probably. We've yet to see exactly how we're going to Ala Mhigo, etc). SE would need to redo the 3.3, 3.4 and 3.5 storyline so it all makes sense... and 3.0 ending, now that I think about it.

    The eyes are pretty important.


    There would be delays in patches and if we recall the fiasco with 3.1... players wouldn't be happy about that.
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    Last edited by Nestama; 02-23-2017 at 06:17 AM.

  6. #1846
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    Quote Originally Posted by szalkerous View Post
    But why not then fix the problem with the filler story? Why not make the end of ARR 2.0 be the gate to HW, and HW end of 3.0 being the gate to SB? Make the remaining filler story an optional portion that you can choose to leap via an NPC at any time after beating the core version MSQ?

    You could even go so far as to abridge the MSQ from the tedious filler quests to make it more streamlined.
    Streamlining the content to make it easier would mean a lot of development time to do something that still doesn't resolve the issue, and is still outside current tropes of the MMO market, which would then make this game less competitive, and would make it hard to get new players in vs the other MMO's out. Its not a secret that the active subscriber numbers have been dwindling, and if FFXIV wants any chance to attract new players, it has to follow what's expected of MMO's today. every other high-quality popular MMO does it. it would be pretentious for fxiv not to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naunet View Post
    I still maintain my critique of jump potions. They aren't bad because they're pay-to-win (I don't think they are, or at least they are a rather harmless form of it). They are bad because they are a low-effort cash grab on SE's part that lets them pretend that the problem of content gating from ARR to HW to SB via the MSQ is "solved". It's not. They're just charging you money to get around their problem.
    This is probably the best chain of words to describe how i really feel about it. Sure it may not hurt me directly, but I see it just as you stated, a lazy cash grab to solve an issue that pronably WILL NOT even change for stormblood. Watch. MSQ not levelling you all the way, being forved to do side quests and dungeons to get to the next part of story, etc. I mean watch. No lesson learned, just keep at it, so they can sell more next expac and more and more, instead of addressing the issue and resolving to in the future and starting now somehow reduce this.
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    The jump is to 60 not 50. And it grants you the gear needed to begin the latest expansion so in this case you would get 270 gear for the start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    The jump is to 60 not 50. And it grants you the gear needed to begin the latest expansion so in this case you would get 270 gear for the start.
    Where was the announcement that said that the iLvl for the expansion starts at 270?
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  10. #1850
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    The jump is to 60 not 50. And it grants you the gear needed to begin the latest expansion so in this case you would get 270 gear for the start.
    amd 300000 or more gil/job.

    right forgot about the silver chocobo feathers that will likely purchase shire gear.
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