Charging for runs.

[Rennies]

This is against the ToS and is reportable/ban-able. You are not allowed to sell any kind of that content; ie. dungeons, mounts, raids. for gil.

I always see people buying clears of Extreme/Savage and even leveling dungeons for gil. Nothing wrong with it, they want to use their hard earned gil to obtain a service from someone else (in this case, faster queues and leveling). I've also never seen anyone banned for it, they're still advertising occasionally. It's probably the same as house selling.

[EusisLandale]

This is against the ToS and is reportable/ban-able. You are not allowed to sell any kind of that content; ie. dungeons, mounts, raids. for gil.

I'm not seeing anything of the sort looking through it. Could you be specific on where it is in there?

[Risvertasashi]

I'm not seeing anything of the sort looking through it. Could you be specific on where it is in there?

He's flat out wrong. High end raid guilds have been doing mercenary runs since the beginning of the game. To the point where they even joke about their clients waiting for their gil to be delivered, so not exactly far from actual RMT connections but they're still in business just fine.

Now, what he might be thinking of is trading for stuff of real world value. Some artists, for example, have gotten warnings for trying to sell art or commissions for gil. This is technically a form of RMT as the art has real world value.

[EusisLandale]

He's flat out wrong. High end raid guilds have been doing mercenary runs since the beginning of the game. To the point where they even joke about their clients waiting for their gil to be delivered, so not exactly far from actual RMT connections but they're still in business just fine.

Now, what he might be thinking of is trading for stuff of real world value. Some artists, for example, have gotten warnings for trying to sell art or commissions for gil. This is technically a form of RMT as the art has real world value.

To be fair, high end guilds doing it doesn't mean it's not technically against the rules if it's in there somewhere. It's not hard to find violations of the naming rules, for example. The wording within the rules is even that they may do things about it not that they will.

[Risvertasashi]

To be fair, high end guilds doing it doesn't mean it's not technically against the rules if it's in there somewhere. It's not hard to find violations of the naming rules, for example. The wording within the rules is even that they may do things about it not that they will.

Fair, but if you've read the terms (as you seem to have) then you should already know: There's nothing that says you can't trade gil for in game services.

Now if the service itself is a violation (say, paying someone to harass someone), then yeah you'll get in trouble. But that's because of what you're doing, not the transaction.

[CookieMonsta]

To be fair, high end guilds doing it doesn't mean it's not technically against the rules if it's in there somewhere. It's not hard to find violations of the naming rules, for example. The wording within the rules is even that they may do things about it not that they will.

Nope not against the rules because it constitutes a fair compensation for commitment of time and skill. The only time its against the ToS is if the sellers take the gil and do NOT provide the service, or conversely, the buyer refuses to pay gil. In both situations the party which does not honor the agreement will be punished.

Yep. It will always be controversial, however.

Only because there are an inordinate amount of people on this thread who seem to think its OK to be entitled to someone else's time, skill and effort. If the service is given pro-bono then its the prerogative of the person providing, amount of shaming or moral high ground can change that.

[EusisLandale]

Nope not against the rules because it constitutes a fair compensation for commitment of time and skill. The only time its against the ToS is if the sellers take the gil and do NOT provide the service, or conversely, the buyer refuses to pay gil. In both situations the party which does not honor the agreement will be punished.

I'm well aware, was just making the point that "it goes unpunished" isn't the best argument when compared to "there is no rule to punish over", given that at the time the claim that it was a violation had yet to be deleted. That and ToSs sometimes have things in odd places so giving the benefit of the doubt.

[SDaemon]

This is against the ToS and is reportable/ban-able. You are not allowed to sell any kind of that content; ie. dungeons, mounts, raids. for gil.

There is nothing in the ToS against this...