Charging for runs.

[Scremin]

Well, i hope most tanks at this game are like me, and not little butthurt entitled snowflakes, because lets face it, the single idea of charging for a stupid dungeon run comes from some crybaby going: WAHHH NO TANK NO HEALER THIS EXPAC? Q.Q JUSTCHU WAIT SE, IMMA CHARGE ALL THOSE DPS TILL YOU LEARN Ò.Ó

[Belhi]

Well, i hope most tanks at this game are like me, and not little butthurt entitled snowflakes, because lets face it, the single idea of charging for a stupid dungeon run comes from some crybaby going: WAHHH NO TANK NO HEALER THIS EXPAC? Q.Q JUSTCHU WAIT SE, IMMA CHARGE ALL THOSE DPS TILL YOU LEARN Ò.Ó

I think its less about punishing dps as much as seeing a potential market. The tanks and healers doing this probably wouldn't be queuing otherwise. I know I am not planning to spend the first week doing nothing but dungeons. Frankly I have enough dps in my FC that I doubt I will want to heal for anyone else just because otherwise I will probably stop enjoying the experience and at the end of the day that is why I play.

[Kosmos992k]

I think its less about punishing dps as much as seeing a potential market.

I personally view selling runs and things of that ilk as exploiting other players.

When I set up my guild (before FFXIV), we were a group known for helping others for the sake of helping and playing for the enjoyment of the game. Coming to FFXIV, that core aspect of the guild is inherent in our Free Company. In my opinion exploiting other players is disrespectful of them. I understand the point of view that there is a potential market, but at the same time I see that more as an opportunity to help others and perhaps make a friend or two along the way.

I will not exploit others for personal gain. That really is what selling runs is, exploiting others for personal gain.

[Belhi]

I personally view selling runs and things of that ilk as exploiting other players.

When I set up my guild (before FFXIV), we were a group known for helping others for the sake of helping and playing for the enjoyment of the game. Coming to FFXIV, that core aspect of the guild is inherent in our Free Company. In my opinion exploiting other players is disrespectful of them. I understand the point of view that there is a potential market, but at the same time I see that more as an opportunity to help others and perhaps make a friend or two along the way.

I will not exploit others for personal gain. That really is what selling runs is, exploiting others for personal gain.

I'm not going to sell runs because I am going to be too busy with the expansion content and I already will be running a lot of dungeons with my FC. The role imbalance, at least during levelling, will exist in my FC as well.

The reality is that the two dps thing is likely to trigger a substancial imbalance early on. That isn't on me. SE set up that situation and as a player, healers and tanks shouldn't be the ones who have to go out of their way to mitigate it. As mercenary as it is, it is probably better for dps players if there is tanks and healers selling runs because likely the tanks and healers doing that wouldn't be running those dungeons again otherwise and any dps they take through are dps others in queue don't have to compete with.

I said before tanks and healers are going to run as many dungeons as they feel like doing. Doing any more than that will in most cases require some incentive, either from a sense of duty to FC members and friends, feeling good about helping random people or getting some kind of material reward. For many, the second one isn't particularly motivating. For better or worse its likely going to be better for dps players if there are people hiring out there services than if it didn't happen. If it didn't all they would have is long queue times with no recourse.

[Celef]

WAHHH NO TANK NO HEALER THIS EXPAC? Q.Q JUSTCHU WAIT SE, IMMA CHARGE ALL THOSE DPS TILL YOU LEARN Ò.Ó

Yep, and not ashamed at all

[Alacran]

Well, i hope most tanks at this game are like me, and not little butthurt entitled snowflakes, because lets face it, the single idea of charging for a stupid dungeon run comes from some crybaby going: WAHHH NO TANK NO HEALER THIS EXPAC? Q.Q JUSTCHU WAIT SE, IMMA CHARGE ALL THOSE DPS TILL YOU LEARN Ò.Ó

Were the shoe on the other foot i'm certain there would be an aberrant amount of uproar from the DPS community. There was never a way to please everyone in this situation, someone was always going to be very upset by this decision. That being said, this is one way to let SE know that the Tanking and Healing players out there are not to be so casually over looked. DPS across all MMORPG's that use the trinity have ever had an issue with bloat, while Tank and Healer roles are always under represented. The only sure fire way to bring players to those roles, is to make Job/ Classes that are popular enough to sustain those numbers as to not let those corner stone roles so needed to clear and enjoy content, jump ship to also enjoy the new shiny. People wanted to be cool, black armored, greatsword swinging, abyss magic using, Dark Knights, it actually brought players to the role in a better way than titles and mounts ever did or could. I know, i was one of them. Now? What future job has the pull Samurai could have had to get players to try Tanking? It's an issue and a big one, but it's also an opportunity. What problem is there in Tanks and Healers incentivising themselves when SE wont bother? I probably wont charge for run, but i would not blame anyone for doing so.

[loreleidiangelo]

Well, i hope most tanks at this game are like me, and not little butthurt entitled snowflakes, because lets face it, the single idea of charging for a stupid dungeon run comes from some crybaby going: WAHHH NO TANK NO HEALER THIS EXPAC? Q.Q JUSTCHU WAIT SE, IMMA CHARGE ALL THOSE DPS TILL YOU LEARN Ò.Ó

Idk, they did it when NIN came out too, and nobody was really "butthurt" over a new tank and healer not being added with NIN, because it was the middle of ARR. It was just people who sensed a business opportunity and took it. I don't agree with all the hand-wringing going on over no new tank and healer jobs (I fall squarely in the "please fix the ones you have first before adding new ones" camp), but to imply this is some kind of revenge tactic rather than simple in-game economics is kind of silly. It might be for some people, but I doubt it's the case for everyone.

[Scremin]

Idk, they did it when NIN came out too, and nobody was really "butthurt" over a new tank and healer not being added with NIN, because it was the middle of ARR. It was just people who sensed a business opportunity and took it. I don't agree with all the hand-wringing going on over no new tank and healer jobs (I fall squarely in the "please fix the ones you have first before adding new ones" camp), but to imply this is some kind of revenge tactic rather than simple in-game economics is kind of silly. It might be for some people, but I doubt it's the case for everyone.

Just search around the forums and you will see its not economics, at least for me its just another post of lets not queue for df, lets charge for runs, so I stand by what i said. Idiotic idea like those will only split the community even more. This game is supposed to be played with a group, as in helping each other, for christ sake, not DPS VS HEALERS AND TANKS, and childish attitudes like that only makes it even worse.

So yeah, for me, doing something that would potentially ruin the fun of another player just because they aren't happy with a game is being "butthurt", and the few that will try it for just for profit alone, well, are equally bad, just in another way.

[Belhi]

Just search around the forums and you will see its not economics, at least for me its just another post of lets not queue for df, lets charge for runs, so I stand by what i said. Idiotic idea like those will only split the community even more. This game is supposed to be played with a group, as in helping each other, for christ sake, not DPS VS HEALERS AND TANKS, and childish attitudes like that only makes it even worse.

So yeah, for me, doing something that would potentially ruin the fun of another player just because they aren't happy with a game is being "butthurt", and the few that will try it for just for profit alone, well, are equally bad, just in another way.

I don't know about most healers but I am going to be likely doing all my roulettes and my dungeon runs with FC members who are dps. Beyond that I am unlikely to use DF, at least early on, because just helping out my FC members is going to more than give me my fill of dungeon running early in the expansion. If I chose to run a dungeon beyond that it would probably require some incentive to convince me it's worth my while cause I am probably going to have little interest in running a levelling dungeon the 38th time just so some dps I don't know can have a shorter queue.

There is going to be a shortage. To get tanks and healers to run repeatedly, even more than they might want to, and make the queues more manageable, there needs to be sufficient incentive. Leveling dungeons generally aren't that rewarding. I play the game to enjoy myself. I don't feel that I need to take the burden of dealing with a situation caused by the developers.