Is something ever gonna be done about that?

[AnimaAnimus]

This discussion went from zero to



after just a few ppl showed up. And not surprisingly its the same people who turn all the posts they contribute to into this type of post.

[Stormrider]

A) Loosely. If you don't mention you're using it and don't post the numbers in XIV chat, then it's pretty much fine. I just see it as being unfair/insulting to lump people who use parsers to improve themselves with people who are shamelessly cheating.

I am not saying they are cheaters. They just fall on the same side of the cheating line. One is closer to not cheating while one is way out. But they still both equal cheating. The whole don't mention, don't ask is because the game doesn't have an anti cheat tool built into it. I believe others have posted the exact line of where the parse is an illegal tool. Does it not directly read game code? But maybe I am wrong and all it does is paste chat numbers into a calculator. I don't use it so I am not sure exactly how it interacts with the game.

[Nestama]

I wouldn't really say cheating line. Third Party line would work better, as that is all the two have in common. They weren't made by SE, however one is just showing you numbers (and if you harass someone for low numbers, then you will be punished for it), while the other is changing numbers/data (bots use them all the time).

[pushin_tin]

Leave it to the OF to have people actually thinking parsing is as bad as speedhacking.

[Stormrider]

I wouldn't really say cheating line.

I use the word cheating if you consider violation of ToS cheating. I also get that people who go over the speed limit don't consider that breaking the law either. Is the line defined by ToS we agree to or is it what we consider morally acceptable?

I am fine either way I have only seen a few people ever say some numbers about dps in chat. They were quickly vote kicked and we moved. Since I initiated I know no action was taken. All three runs went better after they left. But I chalk that up to everyone enjoying themselves more to any actual dps change.

[Callinon]

Leave it to the OF to have people actually thinking parsing is as bad as speedhacking.

Do be fair here, it's pretty much one guy.

[Nestama]

I use the word cheating if you consider violation of ToS cheating. I also get that people who go over the speed limit don't consider that breaking the law either. Is the line defined by ToS we agree to or is it what we consider morally acceptable?

I'd mostly lump it into the 3.X area (harassment, disruption, etc) rather than the 2.1 area (cheating/botting), since Parsers are okay to use, just so long as you don't brag about using them, nor use them to harass players. There's a reason players will always ask for an in-game parser, even if there will never be one.

[randysquirrel]

When are SE going to do something about people who aren't even subbed to the game chipping in here with details of their life story