Is something ever gonna be done about that?

[KusoWat]

That logic is flawed lol.

[Kyne_Lyons]

If you are ok with parsing, you cant exactly be against pvp cheating.

>Measuring your DPS and actively cheating are the same thing

It's time to stop.

[Mwynn]

If you are ok with parsing, you cant exactly be against pvp cheating.

Quite Funny, I have something against Cheaters in PvP / PvE but I don't care if someone Parses. Why?

Because I somehow play my Astrologian without getting insulting by others with my Playstyle.
So I assume the Issue is not the other Players but it seems like the Issue is that they do not tolerate your Playstyle.

Getting Kicked out due of playing on ones own is allowed. Adjust your Playstyle and People won't even bother to insult you as you ain't a bad/lazy Player anymore.

If you get Insulted or Harassed, I would think twice why that would happen, sometimes the People that complain about stuff or don't care are the Players that are extremely bad at playing their Job.

#INB4 Parser Discussions

[Daniolaut]

Clearly, no one is going to respond with substance with which I could even pretend to converse with, so yes, it is time to stop.

Also because i'm probably around my last few hours of my registered log in counting.


I am completely baffled that people who parse, not only dont care that people quit because of their attitudes, and treatment of others, but also "like" that people quit because of them.

Seriously, not even capable of conversing/holding a discussion. I was naive to think I could actually *reason* with anyone.



Just a last tidbit of information, I used to do endgame in 1.0 and 2.x, and there *were* people who players said "dont do such and such fight with such and such player" and i was perfectly capable of getting those players into my parties, that i was leading and helping them get their clears. I farmed skirmish with one such player, and helped one clear turn 5 before echo was introduced. So no, its not a matter of *my* "bad/lazy" playstyle, but the treatment of those who have different play styles.

[Callinon]

Clearly, no one is going to respond with substance with which I could even pretend to converse with, so yes, it is time to stop.

Also because i'm probably around my last few hours of my registered log in counting.


I am completely baffled that people who parse, not only dont care that people quit because of their attitudes, and treatment of others, but also "like" that people quit because of them.

Seriously, not even capable of conversing/holding a discussion. I was naive to think I could actually *reason* with anyone.

Your contributions to that discussion have been "everything you say is wrong unless you agree with me"

Yeah I totally want to keep you around to converse with.

[Nestama]

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But there is a difference and it's sad that you claim there isn't one. One helps you and others improve by using what's in the game (changing your rotation to see which does more damage). The other is outright cheating as it's using a third party tool to change your stats to unrealistic levels. They are not the same and if you continue to claim they are, then it's pointless arguing.

People who parse *constantly* harass/bash/ridicule players who often times even do quite respectable damage, but for whatever reasons they feel the need to cut them down.

Hyperbole (and even if they did constantly harass players, then they were have been given a temporary/permanent ban. SE takes harassment reports very seriously). I will say, though, that if I see a BLM/player performing badly and they choose to ignore advice given to help them improve (informing a BLM that they should not be spamming Tier III spells, a SMN to use DoTs for two examples), I will kick them. They might be having fun doing a bad rotation, but I and possibly the other two/six party members would not be.

I'd also like to say I don't get harassed by those who do parse, nor have I ever been kicked (without reason, anyway. I have only been kicked once in FFXIV overall and that was because I got into an argument with a WHM). I was told back in the Gordias days that I needed to improve, but that was about it. I guess that means I'm a decent player.

[Callinon]

Hyperbole (and even if they did constantly harass players, then they were have been given a temporary/permanent ban. SE takes harassment reports very seriously). I will say, though, that if I see a BLM/player performing badly and they choose to ignore advice given to help them improve (informing a BLM that they should not be spamming Tier III spells, a SMN to use DoTs for two examples), I will kick them. They might be having fun doing a bad rotation, but I and possibly the other two/six party members would not be.

I'd also like to say I don't get harassed by those who do parse, nor have I ever been kicked (without reason, anyway. I have only been kicked once in FFXIV overall and that was because I got into an argument with a WHM). I was told back in the Gordias days that I needed to improve, but that was about it. I guess that means I'm a decent player.

And that's the kind of thing you don't really need a parser to figure out.

I know a BLM is doing sub-par dps (not sub-optimal... sub-par) if I see them spamming blizzard spells or spamming tier-III spells and then I check them and they're wearing 2 str rings, a dex neck, and no belt. Yeah.. they're not pulling their weight. I don't need a parser to make that determination.

Where I DO need a parser to help me is when my raid is failing a dps check and I need to figure out why so we can fix it.

At no point is examining a piece of information and then doing math with it the same or even close to artificially altering my character's stats in order to gain a competitive advantage. They aren't even close to the same thing and attempting to equate the two behaviors is akin to saying that jaywalking and murder are the same thing. It's a ridiculous comparison.

[Nestama]

Precisely.

[Stormrider]

But there is a difference and it's sad that you claim there isn't one. One helps you and others improve by using what's in the game (changing your rotation to see which does more damage). The other is outright cheating as it's using a third party tool to change your stats to unrealistic levels. They are not the same and if you continue to claim they are, then it's pointless arguing.

Well I am not supporting the person. You could as easily say they are the same in that they A) violate ToS B) give players opportunities other players don't have. They would also both be flagged in someway if the game had an actual cheat detection software. Is the end result the same no, but they definitely slip closer to one side then the other.

[Nestama]

A) violate ToS B) give players opportunities other players don't have.

A) Loosely. If you don't mention you're using it and don't post the numbers in XIV chat, then it's pretty much fine. B) Yes and no. If a PS4 player has a friend on PC and they ask (on Discord or something) for their friend to check their numbers, then they're good. SSS is also kind of a place to test if your rotation is good or not. If you can beat the "Soul of the Creator Savage dummy," then your rotation must be pretty decent (in my opinion, anyway). If not, then you may as well look up a guide to see what you could change.

I just see it as being unfair/insulting to lump people who use parsers to improve themselves with people who are shamelessly cheating.