New Housing Zone + Moving existing house

[Senn]

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I lowkey hope FC's get first dibs to transfer. My FC and I really want a mansion in the new residential area. We currently have a large, and we hope we can have a smooth transition.

[Altena]

FCs SHOULD have first dibs on moving. The needs of the many far outweigh those of the few. 'Many' being the key word: The only FCs that should be allowed to transfer are those of max rank, because it's an easily tracked metric showing that the FC is actually active with multiple players and not merely serving as an airship port.

As a compromise however, solo homeowners that attempt to sell their old house to move to Shirogane should have some insurance in being able to return if the attempt fails - as in, being allowed a 3 day window to restore ownership of their old property before anyone else is allowed to buy it. Said window however immediately disappears should they actually successfully obtain a Shirogane house (so they won't have time to try arranging the old property to be bought on an alt or a friend, because that comes with the risk of the Shirogane property being bought by someone else in the meantime).

(I say this as someone in a FC that has a house, along with recently having come into possession of a house myself, and I honestly feel particularly scummy about having said personal house knowing that there are FCs out there that actually need one. Though, the FC that would want to move into my house would have to somehow prove to me that they're going to remain active.)

I am in two minds about this.

On one hand I would be ok with FCs having first dibbs to move / buy their houses in the new zone as you put fairly well - the needs of many outweigh those of few. However I can see a problem with this on the busier servers.. The new wards being filled up by FCs, with all current private estate owners and new private estate owners being majorly left out with 0 opportunity to move / obtain a house in the new zone. That means that the city states will effectively be full of private estates while the new zone will be full of FCs - only for the reason that they "had the chance to buy" as opposed to hunting for new allotments in the older zones (which many FCs will still likely desire more than the Doman housing ward). This means that you will have a bunch of only semi-satisfied FCs along with a bunch of very disappointed private estate owners/buyers.

Yes FC's will also miss out as that is just the way this limited supply / high demand system works, however I deem it a little unfair to the busier servers with a large number of FC's (Balmung and Gilgamesh as primary examples) completely take up the new zones with 0 opportunity for private estate owners to actually or move to this zone, especially after showing off and promising this new housing zone to private players as well as FC's..

In my opinion, they should have always had "FC only" and "Private Estate only" wards rather than mashing them altogether.. This massively reduces the competition between FC and private estates and you quite likely would see at least a few available plots from time to time - rather than being full capacity all the time just because any joe bloggs or FC can buy them.

Yes it sucks that SE missed the huge oversight of low level alt characters snatching up a private house and/or house for a lvl 1 FC with no members. It happened, and we can only hope they at prevent this coming with the Doman housing expansion..

On a final note, I really hope the Doman zone ends up having more wards (at least initially) than the housing zones we have at the moment - as it will likely be the most popular and you will have a whole bunch of people wanting to move + wanting to buy. The demand will be just as big if not bigger than before.. Especially since initially the housing zones were all released at once - however this time it's only one new "shiny" zone that people will want because it's new and shiny..

[Domeric]

as there are plenty of players that have been playing far longer and are still yet to obtain a house despite having the necessary requirements.

So, no one should have dibs on houses except long-playing players?

[Altena]

So, no one should have dibs on houses except long-playing players?

You seem to enjoy taking things out of context.

Your argument is also flawed with the same point you're trying to make - players who currently don't have a house should have dibs on the new content over those that put in the effort early enough to secure one in the other zones? All content has requirements. Housing is no different. You need the gil, and you need to get in when the Wards open.

It is not our fault that you started later than us. You have to build up to the level - that is having the ability to purchase a house (by means of aquiring enough gil and going through the same process all of us went through). There are no short cuts here.

You don't just sign up to the game, create a character and login as a lvl 60 i270 job do you? You have to build up to that - just like you have to work your ways from the bottom of having little to no gil until you can actually afford a house.

Like I said and I will repeat myself - everyone has the same opportunity, pending they meet the requirements of purchasing a house when there are houses up for sale. If you got in late? Then you will flat out have to wait until the next wave opens before having a chance.

[Domeric]

There's no flaw to it. What good is new housing if the only people who get to enjoy it are the ones who have the current housing?

[Altena]

There's no flaw to it. What good is new housing if the only people who get to enjoy it are the ones who have the current housing?

But the thing is, they aren't the only ones that get to enjoy it. Allowing a move feature and opening both the move and the auction of the new zone at the same time puts everyone on an equal level.

Those who don't have a house currently should be able to purchase one (in the new zone), just the same as those who have a current house should be able to MOVE their current (old house since 2.x) to the NEW zone which many of us have been waiting to check out.

Your point is massively flawed. Those that don't have a current house should not have "first pick" just because they don't have a house. It should be on a fair, equal footing where current estate owners can move to the new zone, at the same time as players who don't have a house can buy one.

Remember - those that move their current house into the new zone open up a plot in the older zones. This does not consume the "supply" of housing in general - and these new players still have the option of purchasing a block of land..

The amount of new available plots don't suddenly shrink because people are allowed to move. The only thing that changes is more plots will open in the older wards (that some current homeless may wish to purchase), while SOME of the new plots will be consumed by movers.

[AmeliaVerves]

I am wondering how the feature will work?

If I have a house in Mist, do I need to go into new area, run to a plot, click the board and when it asks me to purchase it, will I have to check an option saying "Move existing house here"?
(Of course I am speaking of a plot with same size as existing house.)
If so, I don't see a problem in opening the new area to everyone at the same time. ._. It would still be "the fastes runner will get it" which is fair enough!

[Domeric]

Moving isn't enabled for normies. it's for free companies.

if everyone who has a house can move, then you'll gets tons of people who already have houses in all three wards mass-migrating to the new ward. Will houses open up in the previous three wards? Maybe. If they don't alt and re-buy their old houses to sell them at exorbitant rates later.

[Alleo]

Well I understood it as being a FC feature only and I kinda can understand it since thanks to ships in the work shop, it would be kinda hell to destroy your house to have another. We private housing owners dont have that problem, the only annoying thing would be loosing all those non-removable items.

I do kinda say that it would be better to implement it later. Its just my opinion but those that already have their houses are in a way lesser need to get a new one. Yes it might be nicer to have a bigger house especially if your FC is really big but at the same time you already own one which makes you/the FC really lucky. Other FC/people dont even own one, they dont even have all the features that the FC housings includes.

Also even if other plots open up people on high populated servers needs to be standing next to the house or at least in the right ward to even have the chance. If one FC moves their house..and the other FC that wanted the house cant get a plot in the new district thanks to that but at the same time since nobody knows where the old plot will open up, will be too late there too -> misses chance to get a house. So for me the feature should come later.

[Altena]

Well I understood it as being a FC feature only and I kinda can understand it since thanks to ships in the work shop, it would be kinda hell to destroy your house to have another. We private housing owners dont have that problem, the only annoying thing would be loosing all those non-removable items.

And the millions of wasted gil for relinquishing a house, in addition to the potential LOSS OF LAND that someone who relinquishes and attempts to purchase.. You expect those that own mansions (who paid a minimum of 50 million gil, up to a whopping 300 million gil) to just toss that on the ground just to have a "chance" at moving to the new zone? I mean I want to put that into perspective for the people that just don't understand this but it just seems impossible...

You are effectively asking people to throw 50+ million gil on the ground, in order to risk ALL OR NOTHING for something that they already put in the effort to achieve.

If a current player who owns a house wants to move to the new zone - and the moving feature is restricted to FC's, they not only lose the gil they originally invested (for no benefit) but they also risk losing both their house and not obtaining one in a new zone. So that is 50+ million gil in the toilet with no outcome. Might as well shout in Idylshire and give 1 million gil to 50 different strangers. At least you would get the satisfaction of giving people something for nothing.

I do kinda say that it would be better to implement it later. Its just my opinion but those that already have their houses are in a way lesser need to get a new one. Yes it might be nicer to have a bigger house especially if your FC is really big but at the same time you already own one which makes you/the FC really lucky. Other FC/people dont even own one, they dont even have all the features that the FC housings includes.

This isn't about house upgrades. That is something else entirely. We are talking about trading a Large house that people paid 50+ million for another large house that will likely be another 50 million. Small and Medium houses are a little more trivial in my eyes... 5 Mil in this game? Sure no problem (to some).. however that is still throwing gil on the ground for the potential of no positive outcome.

Also even if other plots open up people on high populated servers needs to be standing next to the house or at least in the right ward to even have the chance. If one FC moves their house..and the other FC that wanted the house cant get a plot in the new district thanks to that but at the same time since nobody knows where the old plot will open up, will be too late there too -> misses chance to get a house. So for me the feature should come later.

Just flat out unfair and penalizes those who put in the effort to get in early and purchase a house, and rewards those that either didn't succeed or didn't bother trying.

There is nothing fair about delaying moving feature, whether that be for FC's or private estates. That idea is literally screwing over everyone that put in the effort of farming the gil, potentially paying the rediculously inflated prices on release, and rewarding those that didn't bother.