Is something ever gonna be done about that?

[BHGlobbd]

Actually you can still post if you aren't subscribed, you just don't log out of the forums.

[Nestama]

Actually you can still post if you aren't subscribed, you just don't log out of the forums.

I've unsubscribed multiple times and hell, I've even been subscribed but hadn't logged into FFXIV for over 14 days. Basically, any time I've been inactive from FFXIV for 14 or so days, I have been unable to post on the forums (and yes, this is even when always being logged in. It kicks you out and will refuse to log you in until you touch FFXIV again. Doesn't matter which character you log in as).

Both are used by players of XIV, to execute a means which said user deems acceptable, and Square-Enix really doesnt do anything about.

So, i'm pretty sure as long as you can justify using a parser, these people can justify using what they are.

Except Yoshi-P is perfectly fine with people using Parsers, just so long as you don't post your numbers and/or harass people with them (because you will get thrown into Gaol and maybe even banned).

OP has shown us a player outright cheating in a PvP setting, which is actually giving them an unfair advantage over others. This is way worse than the evil Parsers.

[Daniolaut]

Basically, any time I've been inactive from FFXIV for 14 or so days, I have been unable to post on the forums .

Yes, so if you or anyone else is still trying to imply, I am unable to post, even though I said I got 14 free days recently, which means I was able to log into XIV, without being subscribed, leads to the fact, I am able to post here. So to say I'm paying money just to post on the forums, but not play the game is ridiculous.



I mean literally, i'm posting (see?) and I have clear inactivity in XIV for the past 5 months (via achievements) minus a 14 day period.

you don't post your numbers and/or harass people with them (because you will get thrown into Gaol and maybe even banned).

The development team turns a blind eye to it, as they have with PvP cheaters so far.

They are *not* "ok with it."

People who parse *constantly* harass/bash/ridicule players who often times even do quite respectable damage, but for whatever reasons they feel the need to cut them down.

And Square-Enix does not take action against these players. (Because that takes resources, and man power, and they seem to lack enough to deal with this issue.)

If you feel or pretend otherwise, you, are hurting the numbers/subscriptions for XIV, and clearly dont care.

To me there is no difference in
cheating in PvP, and preventing another player from enjoying the game who isnt cheating,
than
using parses, bashing other players, kicking them from groups, and outright harassing them, and preventing another player from enjoying the game who isnt parsing.

[Nestama]

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But there is a difference and it's sad that you claim there isn't one. One helps you and others improve by using what's in the game (changing your rotation to see which does more damage). The other is outright cheating as it's using a third party tool to change your stats to unrealistic levels. They are not the same and if you continue to claim they are, then it's pointless arguing.

People who parse *constantly* harass/bash/ridicule players who often times even do quite respectable damage, but for whatever reasons they feel the need to cut them down.

Hyperbole (and even if they did constantly harass players, then they were have been given a temporary/permanent ban. SE takes harassment reports very seriously). I will say, though, that if I see a BLM/player performing badly and they choose to ignore advice given to help them improve (informing a BLM that they should not be spamming Tier III spells, a SMN to use DoTs for two examples), I will kick them. They might be having fun doing a bad rotation, but I and possibly the other two/six party members would not be.

I'd also like to say I don't get harassed by those who do parse, nor have I ever been kicked (without reason, anyway. I have only been kicked once in FFXIV overall and that was because I got into an argument with a WHM). I was told back in the Gordias days that I needed to improve, but that was about it. I guess that means I'm a decent player.

[Callinon]

Hyperbole (and even if they did constantly harass players, then they were have been given a temporary/permanent ban. SE takes harassment reports very seriously). I will say, though, that if I see a BLM/player performing badly and they choose to ignore advice given to help them improve (informing a BLM that they should not be spamming Tier III spells, a SMN to use DoTs for two examples), I will kick them. They might be having fun doing a bad rotation, but I and possibly the other two/six party members would not be.

I'd also like to say I don't get harassed by those who do parse, nor have I ever been kicked (without reason, anyway. I have only been kicked once in FFXIV overall and that was because I got into an argument with a WHM). I was told back in the Gordias days that I needed to improve, but that was about it. I guess that means I'm a decent player.

And that's the kind of thing you don't really need a parser to figure out.

I know a BLM is doing sub-par dps (not sub-optimal... sub-par) if I see them spamming blizzard spells or spamming tier-III spells and then I check them and they're wearing 2 str rings, a dex neck, and no belt. Yeah.. they're not pulling their weight. I don't need a parser to make that determination.

Where I DO need a parser to help me is when my raid is failing a dps check and I need to figure out why so we can fix it.

At no point is examining a piece of information and then doing math with it the same or even close to artificially altering my character's stats in order to gain a competitive advantage. They aren't even close to the same thing and attempting to equate the two behaviors is akin to saying that jaywalking and murder are the same thing. It's a ridiculous comparison.

[Stormrider]

But there is a difference and it's sad that you claim there isn't one. One helps you and others improve by using what's in the game (changing your rotation to see which does more damage). The other is outright cheating as it's using a third party tool to change your stats to unrealistic levels. They are not the same and if you continue to claim they are, then it's pointless arguing.

Well I am not supporting the person. You could as easily say they are the same in that they A) violate ToS B) give players opportunities other players don't have. They would also both be flagged in someway if the game had an actual cheat detection software. Is the end result the same no, but they definitely slip closer to one side then the other.

[Nestama]

A) violate ToS B) give players opportunities other players don't have.

A) Loosely. If you don't mention you're using it and don't post the numbers in XIV chat, then it's pretty much fine. B) Yes and no. If a PS4 player has a friend on PC and they ask (on Discord or something) for their friend to check their numbers, then they're good. SSS is also kind of a place to test if your rotation is good or not. If you can beat the "Soul of the Creator Savage dummy," then your rotation must be pretty decent (in my opinion, anyway). If not, then you may as well look up a guide to see what you could change.

I just see it as being unfair/insulting to lump people who use parsers to improve themselves with people who are shamelessly cheating.

[Stormrider]

A) Loosely. If you don't mention you're using it and don't post the numbers in XIV chat, then it's pretty much fine. I just see it as being unfair/insulting to lump people who use parsers to improve themselves with people who are shamelessly cheating.

I am not saying they are cheaters. They just fall on the same side of the cheating line. One is closer to not cheating while one is way out. But they still both equal cheating. The whole don't mention, don't ask is because the game doesn't have an anti cheat tool built into it. I believe others have posted the exact line of where the parse is an illegal tool. Does it not directly read game code? But maybe I am wrong and all it does is paste chat numbers into a calculator. I don't use it so I am not sure exactly how it interacts with the game.