Kicked from DR Leveling because I don't slot Protect for low level dungeons?

[Mithrahn]

With Mind gear, the difference is not negligible. Nobody is going to queue up for leveling roulette as Scholar and wear the Int/Mind gear. I agree with your point about Stoneskin though, that is more of a noob trap than anything... healers using stoneskin mid pull (double the cost of Cure, shields about half the health you'd recover with Cure).

At the end of the day, these people are arguing that a placebo buff (and yes, that is literally all it is) is better than damage efficiency, and this thread will be laughed at for as long as it remains on the front page.

It is negligible in lower level dungeons, aka Sastasha, Tam-Tara Deepcroft, Copperbell Mines, because at those levels there is barely any difference in your INT/MND even if you're 'wearing MND gear'.

Having said that, Cleric Stance is still my #1 slot... unless PvP cause you can't cleric there :V

[BorisDaBlade]

The biggest problem I see with this whole senario is the double standards healers have. I see the tried and true, Imma let the tank die because you ran off before I can put protect and stone skin on the group, but protect is such a garbage spell I can't be bothered to use it on lowbie dungeons because my HEALER DEEPS YO!!

To be fair, I do think protect is garbage and healer deeps is more important. Lol.

[Spiroglyph]

You were just unlucky, bud. I myself have protect on second slot and CS first, because as you said in lower level dungeons protect hardly matters...

It was rather petty of them to kick you for something like that, but they're well within their right to kick you for differences in playstyle.

Just be thankful that as a healer your queues are fairly short, queue again and move on. Most people in DF that see a healer not casting protect will MAYBE ask about it, then shrug and be satisfied if you reply with something like "didn't sub, got CS instead".

[Gumbercules]

idk specially on sch I always have cleric first then aero or protect second. The amount of damage mobs deal out at those levels make protect incredibly weak. (unless you run into leather wearing tanks, and holy hell there are alot of those >.>, and protect would prolly not matter for this either :P) You just ran into a bad group of ppl and best you can do is hope you never run into em again and move on :\

[Vanitas]

If you are wiping in lv15 dungeons because protect isn't up, protect will not save you from wiping in lv15 dungeons, if you are wiping in lv15 dungeons in the first place ;p

[LineageRazor]

NINE PAGES, and NO ONE has brought up the most important reason to put Protect in slot one...

Remember that we are talking about dungeons under level 20. At those levels, players' MND and INT stats are very close to one another, and Cleric's Stance provides very marginal improvements. "So?" you might argue, "Protect's benefits are also very marginal!" This is true, and also completely irrelevant to the following truth:

The time the tank spends waiting around at the entrance for you to cast Protect, will COMPLETELY NEGATE any benefit Cleric's Stance would have provided for completing the dungeon faster. You might get "lucky" and wind up with a newb tank that runs off as soon as the dungeon starts, but most likely you're going to have a tank that knows to wait patiently for buffs before starting off.

Unless you have a macro ready to say, "I don't have Protect, let's get this started," at the beginning of each and every dungeon, it saves a lot more time to just cast Protect. Optionally, you can swap in Cleric's Stance later on and get the best of both worlds. But by default, have Protect in the first slot, Cleric's Stance in the second.

[Spiroglyph]

NINE PAGES, and NO ONE has brought up the most important reason to put Protect in slot one...

The time the tank spends waiting around at the entrance for you to cast Protect, will COMPLETELY NEGATE any benefit Cleric's Stance would have provided for completing the dungeon faster. You might get "lucky" and wind up with a newb tank that runs off as soon as the dungeon starts, but most likely you're going to have a tank that knows to wait patiently for buffs before starting off.

... THAT is what you consider the most important reason to have protect in slot 1? Just how long do the tanks you usually queue with wait around for you to cast protect?? I mean, I dunnu, last couple of times I was in places like Sastasha I just started walking ahead (popped CS too so they'd know why protect wasn't being casted) and the tank immediately followed with zero questions asked...

[Deus_ex_Machina]

1st impression is very important

it may be a different reason that OP was kicked. Granted people are unjust about it, but it's how you present yourself. As a healer, you pretty much have the party's life in your hand, and if your 1st impression on the party as missing your protect, they will most likely to think you are trolling the dungeon. I mean I'm sure everyone here have experienced that, when a dps just attack random things, knocking it out of the way. Tank just don't use aggro combo and mobs run amok, or healers just want to watch the world burn.

yesterday I was doing a level 50 dungeon, (sunken temple of Quarn HM) and had a sch who didn't cast a protect. 1st i didn't care, but i was being cautious, only pull 1 mob pack. 3 adds took me down like 10% health, and that's with shadow skin mind you. So the next room, I pulled 4 adds, established aggro and then used a shadow wall at 50% HP. and then 2 GCDs later, i was dead... Turns out the sch was dpsing, and his cleric stand was not on. So i kindly as if I can get a protect. No answer... the rest of the party ask too (i can feel they were losing patient), no answer... So a Vote Dismissed popped up, i contemplated a bit and inclined to vote "yes".

It's a sad situation, and i'm sorry that you were diminished... but when you are in a room full of people you don't know, you tend to have your guard up. That's why i think breaking the ice with a "Hello!" or respond to them with a "sorry, my protect is on my 3rd slots and it will take time for my CD to reset if i switch" or something to that show you are not there to troll then your experience may be different.

[JumperX]

I would say it depends on the party formation. Sometimes, people don't do that great and die for insignificant things, that protect might help. In that case, I guess that healer might want to switch the slot they placed protect.

Just one downside is that the other people who never played healer classes and decided to do it(after watching another player playing that class in the dungeon they were in), don't have protect nor level their whm till they have SCH and AST level 50+. I encountered those people who think that protect is not a good skill to have when you are lvl30+ at least you are a whm.

[Miste]

NINE PAGES, and NO ONE has brought up the most important reason to put Protect in slot one...
Remember that we are talking about dungeons under level 20. At those levels, players' MND and INT stats are very close to one another, and Cleric's Stance provides very marginal improvements

Cleric Stance
Swaps current INT and MND attribute ratings, while increasing damage dealt by attack magic by 10% and reducing spell-based HP restoration by 20%. Effect ends upon reuse. Cannot be used in PvP areas.

http://xivdb.com/action/122/cleric+stance

It doesn't only swap INT and MND.

Cleric Stance should be in slot one but if people want to put Protect there that is fine. In general this should be a non-issue. Whether a healer slots Protect or Cleric Stance in slot one the dungeon can still be easily completed. The only difference is speed/efficiency so I doubt most rational logical people in this game would care either way.

OP ran into people that were extremely salty over a non-issue to the point of trying to wipe the group by over pulling to make their point about Protect being necessary true....but then still failed.

Healers who want to put Cleric in Slot 1 because they are able to deal with the loss of extra defense in order to add more DPS, great, it is more efficient in the long run. But if some healers wish to slot Protect first sure that is their choice and it is totally fine, but don't argue that Protect has to be in slot one because you believe it is more efficient. It isn't. The incoming damage is so weak in low level dungeons that it is way more efficient to add DPS if you are experienced enough to do so.