SE please stop putting ex primals in the raid finder and put them back in duty finder

[bswpayton]

Use party finder, no reason to complain about this anymore when you can just make a cross-world party.

As I mention before df is a better place for personal practice, because if youve never done something before then watching a guide is one thing but its not until you can combine personal pratice and a guides knowledge together that you learn the content. As I mention earlier I do not see any learning parties anywhere on pf for sep, thordan, or sophia because it isnt zurvan, I dont even see learning parties for even zurvan anymore. Right now the community assumes that everyone is caught up on everything and have knowledge of everything and thats just simply not the case so this is why I dont use pf. And Im not saying either that I havent tried rf I have tried it , I just know that if the content was in df it would be a better chance for a que than on raid finder.

I dont even understand how people are arguing agaisnt this, its not about weeding people out or this are that its simply that you will have a higher rate of a que for players that dont have statics, or that dont have friends that like doing high level content. The people whom do have this can easily use the pf feature are can get friends to bird farm with them, some just have better luck doing things in a random situation and encounter. If it worked for arr content and it still works even tho ques are long then it would work for hw content. I know for a fact that I can que for ravana extreme in df and get a faster que than I would in rf for thordan , sep etc simply because duty finder is used by more people.

[Spiroglyph]

Pretty sure the reason why you get into ravana and bisex so fast through DF is because of Wondrous Tails, not because DF queues and generally faster...

Just make your own learning party in PF, if there's none set up?

[Lambdafish]

Because DF could handle Zurvan/Sophia ex... I doubt it could even handle Thordan.

Raid finder exists to handle harder content, and the different progression levels that people are at with it, duty finder exists for content that is easy enough for people to not have a problem with and can just queue into without needing to learn much. Ex primals are exactly where they belong.

[bswpayton]

Because DF could handle Zurvan/Sophia ex... I doubt it could even handle Thordan.

I would have to disagree by saying this its like sayin that hw content was that much more challenging that arr content and from what Ive done so far its basicly the same. There isnt anything that sticks out in hw thats just overwhelming more difficult than that of Arr stuff once you understand the content.

Id say that grauda the very first extreme has more going on that bis and ravana , and people claim she is the easiest primal there is. On the forums this week people are sayin how Alexander is underwhelming compared to coil, the hard mood dungeons in hw arent just so amazingly more difficult than any of the hard moods in Arr. And its post after post about how easy zurvan is, annd that sophia is easy as well according to all the post here on the forums, so if the Arr primals are in duty finder then there is nothing so special about the hw ones to where they shouldnt be in duty finder as well. The gap in the content isnt that large to where one has to be gated behind a wall for no reason.

[Lambdafish]

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Ravana and Bismark are in the DF though

As for the rest of it, I specifically named 3 primals, Zurvan, Sophia, and Thordan (you could be right about Seph and Nid with the way gear is now, but thats not the point I'm making). The point is that raid finder is designed for the content that requires practice and progression, and the option to farm (which the three named primals NEED for now), and in all honesty, the ARR ex primals were a reasonable difficulty back in their day, especially Titan, and if raid finder had existed then, they would have been in it. In stormblood, you can bet that all the HW primals will be moved into the DF and SB primals put in the raid finder.

[Yudzster]

looks like we're going in circles after all, bravo dude

[Gemina]

I see both farming and learning parties for EX primals in PF all the time, and I'm on a medium sized server. DF is mainly for story mode/casual content, and EX primals are not casual content. Even the ARR ones. They don't belong in DF. It's a very good thing to separate those wanting to learn/teach from those who have other things to do with their time. Nobody's time is wasted this way.

[bswpayton]

I see both farming and learning parties for EX primals in PF all .

But the thing is people act like people do not die in dungeons are that Sastasha normal doesnt take 30 mins with a new tank in leveling gear are really any tank that doesnt big pull. And extreme primal is just another que and should be treated as such. No one should have to go out out of their way to do older primals when its a new fresh one thats out now that everyone is playing. From Sophia down should be in duty finder also and fine keep it in raid finder but it should be in both df and raid finder not exclusively raid finder alone the ones who dont like duty finder just simply wouldnt have to use it.

[Dzian]

As I mention before df is a better place for personal practice,.

The thing is that sentence right there is the main reason they added the raid finder in the first place... because people were using the duty finder as a training ground which meant it was basically impossible for people to use it to actually get clears / rewards.. which in turn meant no one even touched it...

the raid finder has proven pretty successful for the most part. many people have successfully used it to farm Sophia and zurvan and have a pretty decent clear rate. which is something that just wouldn't happen in the duty finder.... if you were crazy enough to duty finder seph or even thordan you'll know exactly what I mean...

it's a pretty western thing as well. over in the east the trends are total opposites. people use the party finder for learning and practice and duty/raid finder for farming..

but yeah the raid was added because people were treating the Duty finder like a practice mode. and thus made it virtually impossible to successfully clear harder content in the duty finder

the best place for practice is party finder create a learning/practice party. or queue practice on the raid finder..

[bswpayton]

The thing is that sentence right there is the main reason they

I have tho is the thing , Ive tried every sense I finished hw story to que for thordan extreme and get zero people to be added. Just me and the one person or two people I was already in a party with, lets be real nobody in this game likes to do content with people that arent caught up in progression with them. I see this every day on pf no bonus, in every single party no bonus no bonus from top to bottom. So obviously nobody is going join a phase run on something old in rf. But I have had no issue getting things in duty finder, Ive had failures and Ive had successes using the duty finder. The failure is ok as long as I get the chance or anyone else for that matter people new to content arent welcomed in pf go on your pf right now and count how many no bonus groups youll find.

Thats why I dont even look at pf because if you have never done something then they dont want you there and obviously nobody wants people in rf either. And thats exactly why it should be in df or both , because this is extreme whos to say that someone doesnt have the right to try something 100 times until they get a clear nobody because its in the game. So Rf and Pf are too exclusive it has to be a way for players to have access to content where they have an opportunity to test out the content. Raid finder should be farm clear parties only, and it should not have a practice option are a new person option all that is doing is putting a target on ones back for people not to join. Because the base has made it clear that they do not like new players in their farm content, so it should be in duty finder for people new are learning the content. RF should just be a make shift static , instead of forcing players to use it when they could just simply have it in duty finder for everyone else.