Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

[Leep]

As a mentor myself, I am disgusted by this behavior.

[Amirya]

Was it ever determined how the OP knows for sure that it was a mentor who initiated the kick?

Personally, I suspect OP is a troll who enjoys stirring up trouble. Just look at all this nonsense about "mentors are bad!"

Also, what with all this idiotic diatribes about, "if the average ilvl is met in any way, then they can go in," I wonder how welcome I would be if I went in as SCH. Since I don't play one, and I have i170 book from BisEx, but I'm still ilvl 243. I should be able to heal exroulette speed runs!

Seriously.

[Lufir]

Low dps is a poor excuse for a DF run, as long as you meet the reqs you are entitled to run it. Whoever wants a fast and easy clear must PF or accept what DF gives them.

If the complain comes from a mentor then, to me is sufficient enough to revoke permanently its status and strip him of all the perks he got with it. Hell, I'm going even far more and will delete all and everything gear he have on his account and get him naked, some people deserves it.

Yea you are entitled to run it, but others are also entitled to vote kick you for extremely under-performing. This whole attitude of "It's my play style so I can be as low geared or terrible as as I want" is just plain disrespectful. You are playing with 3 other players, not just yourself. Stop being selfish and spend at least some time upgrading your gear.

[Omegakiyohime]

Stop being selfish and spend at least some time upgrading your gear.

I would assume that it's hard for the OP to upgrade his gear if he is getting kicked from Dungeons that reward tomestones for better gear.

[ElHeggunte]

I would assume that it's hard for the OP to upgrade his gear if he is getting kicked from Dungeons that reward tomestones for better gear.

The OP was wearing a full set of crafted HQ i250 gear, minus the head (i150), accessories (i150, three of which were VIT), and belt (i230). I find it hard to believe that being kicked from dungeons is why they were wearing i150 VIT jewelry as a BRD in Sohr Khai.

[LuckiGoLucki]

While I would never kick anyone for a slow going dungeon, I don't think all this hate towards Mentors is fair either. I wear the crown and if I see something that could be improved I'll comment on it. But if I'm in a dungeon with an undergeared player or a player that's wearing gear not suited to their class then yea...I could see myself getting a bit peeved and I would probably say something about it. Also, mentors can't magically mentor you into better gear in an instance so I'm not sure what was expected of the mentor in this case anyway.

[TarynH]

i am dungeon grinding for gear...

You would be better off grinding Hullbreaker HM for the same gear. It's pretty much made for grinding a lower ilvl job to gear up.

[Rita1989]

You would be better off grinding Hullbreaker HM for the same gear. It's pretty much made for grinding a lower ilvl job to gear up.

Or run frontline pvp its probably the fastest the way to get tomes currently should be able to upgrade to all your i150 gear to lore scripture gear in a day or two and its almost instant queues as long as you chose the freelance option in duty finder

[CookieMonsta]

Was it ever determined how the OP knows for sure that it was a mentor who initiated the kick?

Personally, I suspect OP is a troll who enjoys stirring up trouble. Just look at all this nonsense about "mentors are bad!"

Also, what with all this idiotic diatribes about, "if the average ilvl is met in any way, then they can go in," I wonder how welcome I would be if I went in as SCH. Since I don't play one, and I have i170 book from BisEx, but I'm still ilvl 243. I should be able to heal exroulette speed runs!

Seriously.

IMO I think the min requirement for encounters should be AP/mAP instead of ilevel. This way, you HAVE to have the baseline stats required because ilevel can be cheesed.

[Alex_LoneWolf]

After skimming through a lot of these posts, I really must admit that both sides have some pros and cons to their points. But I don't think that the kick (if it was started by a mentor) was justified.

Gear: I dungeon grind a lot for gear, have been for quite a while. If the OP bought tank gear, could be on accident. I've messed up and bought the wrong gear before, even for my Summoner.

What to run/average iLv.: The debate on requirments to get into instances aside, I don’t think it shouldn’t matter what you run as long as you can meet the requirements and try. I usually do daily roulettes, then a few dungeons each day so that I can get some tomes. I don’t see why it should matter where they come from, as long as the person getting them is at least attempting to do something in the dungeon.

Cross-class skills: Trust be told, as a Summoner, I didn't have Raging Strikes for some time and I still don't have Quelling Strikes. Yes, the skills do help in dungeons, so I wouldn't ignore them, but I've never gotten kicked cause I didn't have cross-class skills. I do some pretty decent damage and should invest in Quelling Strikes, but haven’t yet.

The terms “Casual”, “Elietest”, etc: Usually these are terms I stay away from. There are very few people that I call “casual” players and probably even less that I call “elitest”. To me, how much someone plays and how long they’ve been playing doesn’t matter in this conversation. They’re in there for the clear, so a mentor should be helping them learn or giving tips, tricks, and suggestions, else not trying to do the things a mentor would do.

I think Talya’s comment here reflects what I’ve heard from many mentors in my FC and what I would probably end up doing if I was a mentor:

As a mentor who mentors, when I load in one of the first things I do is look at other players' gear, especially those I didn't queue with. And let me tell you, sometimes my response is, out loud, "oh my god. Oh my gawwd." OP's gear isn't the worst I've seen. First week of Xelphatol my party had a BLM with the Bismarck weapon. Not the crafted one.

Though I've never initiated a vote kick against someone for pulls taking forever, I have loudly suffered (my poor partner and TS mates) through dungeons that can be cleared in 20 min taking 45-50 min instead.

I’m not attempting to ridicule the Mentors who are out there and who are trying to get through Lv. 60 content with what I’m saying, but as a caster DPS, I think DPS is just not something that should be a factor when clearing content with new people.