More Customize Skill

[Bourne_Endeavor]

More like I see a toxic hive mentality of "our way is the only way". XIV as it is offers little to no customization. Only offers flatline linear gear progression. Clearly evident when every fight is scripted. Devs themselves are so against customization they deliberately decrease LB gauge acquisition if multiple players play the same role/job that is outside standard conditions in preformed parties. And the cross class system in itself is a complete joke.

Pitiful. But I fear the expansion and whatever life XIV has will remain the same with linear progression and it's tomestones and tokens format. Tedious and tiresome. Story's okay though!

That is not toxicity, but simple pragmatism. If it can be mathematically proven one stat or skill customization is superior, you refusing to adapt is pure stubbornness. It's akin to arguing Dragoons should max out SkS or White Mage shouldn't bother with accuracy even if they intent to DPS. You can do it, but you're only hurting yourself and your raid group.

[MagiusNecros]

That is not toxicity, but simple pragmatism. If it can be mathematically proven one stat or skill customization is superior, you refusing to adapt is pure stubbornness. It's akin to arguing Dragoons should max out SkS or White Mage shouldn't bother with accuracy even if they intent to DPS. You can do it, but you're only hurting yourself and your raid group.

Pragmatic approaches aren't always fun though. I'm all about fun. And in my experience the math, all the buffs, exponential coordination, peerless execution of mechanics, lining up every player's rotation of skills together isn't that much fun to me.

More grating and tedious if anything. But don't let me get you green behind the gills.

[dragonseth07]

Pragmatic approaches aren't always fun though. I'm all about fun. And in my experience the math, all the buffs, exponential coordination, peerless execution of mechanics, lining up every player's rotation of skills together isn't that much fun to me.

More grating and tedious if anything. But don't let me get you green behind the gills.

Fun is great, don't get me wrong. I'm sure every Blizzard Wizard I've seen in DF was having tons of fun. :P

[MagiusNecros]

Fun is great, don't get me wrong. I'm sure every Blizzard Wizard I've seen in DF was having tons of fun. :P

I'll take a BlizWiz over a loldrg any day of the week.

[BubblyBoar]

Pragmatic approaches aren't always fun though. I'm all about fun. And in my experience the math, all the buffs, exponential coordination, peerless execution of mechanics, lining up every player's rotation of skills together isn't that much fun to me.

More grating and tedious if anything. But don't let me get you green behind the gills.

Sure, that may be fun for you, but what about the other 7 people you are with. Is your fun getting int he way of their fun? Were tey happy with how things were and having fun with it until BOOM, they have to deal with all these people making their lives harder "for fun".

Savage raiding isn't fun at all if that's what you are getting at.

As for regular content it becomes unfun when many players fail at the same mechanics over and over and refuse to learn.

But that's another discussion entirely. Here people are asking for customization, and yet most will flock to what we have is good enough, that even if customization was offered nothing would change...so why change it at all?

Who said anything about savage?

[MagiusNecros]

Sure, that may be fun for you, but what about the other 7 people you are with. Is your fun getting int he way of their fun? Were tey happy with how things were and having fun with it until BOOM, they have to deal with all these people making their lives harder "for fun".

Savage raiding isn't fun at all if that's what you are getting at.

As for regular content it becomes unfun when many players fail at the same mechanics over and over and refuse to learn.

But that's another discussion entirely. Here people are asking for customization, and yet most will flock to what we have is good enough, that even if customization was offered nothing would change...so why change it at all?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Pragmatic approaches aren't always fun though. I'm all about fun. And in my experience the math, all the buffs, exponential coordination, peerless execution of mechanics, lining up every player's rotation of skills together isn't that much fun to me.
More grating and tedious if anything. But don't let me get you green behind the gills.

Then what difference does it make? They aren't going to design a whole system that is completely meaningless given most content is varying degrees of easy. It has to take Extremes and Savage into consideration, which will prompt theory crafting. Once that happens, you'll see one build pull widely ahead and people push it on the community. Look no further than STR accessories on tanks. It began as something hardcore raiders did, then a choice between whether you were still practicing or progressing to inevitably seeing VIT accessories shunned entirely. It's not whether this will happen but how quickly a new meta forms that people follow.

[magnanimousCynic]

Look no further than STR accessories on tanks. It began as something hardcore raiders did, then a choice between whether you were still practicing or progressing to inevitably seeing VIT accessories shunned entirely. It's not whether this will happen but how quickly a new meta forms that people follow.

I can't believe I forgot the plague of STR tanks during Pre-3.2. It seemed to attract the people who didn't know how to play their class, thinking that using STR instead of VIT made them better tanks over night. It was very easy to tell the good ones from the bad ones when the first pulls started.

If you were a healer during that era you would prefer a bad VIT tank over a bad STR tank any day of the week.

[MagiusNecros]

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Players merely following the one build meta at the time. And boy did the lack of skill really show. You can min max content if you want but if you can't play your job at a high level it wasn't worth it. And because of everyone chasing the STR meta stats were nerfed to force Tanks to go after VIT once again. Good job player base!