SE please stop putting ex primals in the raid finder and put them back in duty finder

[Vidu]

What exactly is the difference between RF and DF? I've never used the former. Is it more like PF or DF? It seems to me like it's just DF that enables greater selectivity, but I could be wrong, having never used it.

It is excatly like DF, except you can only queue up for one raid/trial at a time and you can tick of several boxes to make it easier to get paired up with a like minded group - as in "practice", "clear" and "I've already cleared this and would like to be paired only with people who have cleared it aswell". The menu really isnt hard to find if you're interested in such content and not mentally challenged. (And again, I say: Give it a chance and let people get used to it instead of just asking it to be removed, basically, rather spread the word about RF, tell everyone they can still queue up for EX-primals, if they wish to do so, answer what it is, if someone has a question and dont just regard it, because this way we wont get it to work...)

[Dzian]

So basically ur saying screw the people that's still working on their heavens ward story or arr story. What I hear is this is my content cause I made it here first that's just horrible and unwelcoming. I really wonder at what point someone is suppose to learn hard content. It's unsync the old bis and ravana are to easy so supposbly that's not enough to have access to anything else sense it's all locked in rf. I feel like the community must want bad players are something.

no what i'm saying was the success rate of extremes in duty finder was a problem.... that's why they added a raid finder in the first place...

when it comes to when should players be learning hard content my opinion on that is all the time... all content should scale so players are constantly improving. instead the level of difficulty is mostly a flat line. if you can clear sastasha you got the skills you need to unlock virtually everything in the game... the newer dungeons are easier than ever and have been getting easier for a long time.

every set of dungeons / every piece of content should be harder than the last this way player skill improves as they progress through the game... this is also why the "NO BONUS!" culture exists. because the level of skill you need to unlock a piece of content is a long way off the leve lof skill you need to clear it... so unlocking it means nothing.... if the games difficulty increased as you progressed. the by the time you got to and unlocked zurvan ex for example you would obviously have a level of skill much closer to what you need to clear it. that being the case players would then likely be much more willing to take bonuses. because the fact you unlocked the content indicates you're at least of a certain skill level.....

it's a bit extreme but imagine this.
you have a group of 4 people.
you have a warrior that has 4 skills on his hot bar. overpower and his 1 2 3 butchers block combo
you have a blm with 5 skills on there hot bar. fire 1 fire 2 blizzard 1 blizzard 2 and transpose
a whm with 4 skills on there hot bar. protect cure cure 2 and medica
and a dragoon with basically just there 1 2 3 combo....

with just those skills on there hot bars how far through the game could that group make it and how much content can they unlock...

I honestly reckon they would get an incredibly long way into the game even playing there jobs at such a consitantly low level... sure content might take a lot longer for them but it wouldn't be difficult... i'd bet that group of players could unlock creator savage given enough time. (doube the group size for 8man stuff but keep the level of skill the same)

and I think the number of posts in the tales from the duty finder thread about people playing there jobs at this level only validates how far they can get with no skill at all.

and this is why Yoshi p also says there's a massive skill gap in the player base....because the game doesn't require them to improve.

content should be progressively harder and harder as you progress. if they did this by the time a player unlocked zurvan ex. they'd already be at least half way up the mountain thus the skill gap between players would only be half the mountain and thus players would probably be more willing to give them a chance....... but because they don't do this. players can unlock zurvan ex while still standing at the base...... and thus the skill gap is the whole mountain... and its no wonder players say "NO BONUS" becsause you haven't even started to climb the mountain yet....

So yeah players should be learning harder contents ALL the time...

The problem is few people bother to use RF. There are even some people who don't know where it is. As for the groups. Did you even think that when you don't see any groups currently on PF you can actually make your own? Why everyone always waiting for someone else to create groups?

I don't have a problem with raid finder queues. in a way it's no different than duty finder queues older content gets less people bother with it. queue ravana ex in duty finder see how long that takes for a laugh...... its why people pf it for tails cos you'll fill the group before the duty finder even gets a second person most of the time....

MUCH RANTING! should shut up now

[Vidu]

Skill progression

Thats a pretty good observation about some majors problems here!
We all know that the game is supposed to be as accessiable as possible, so even a casual player with two hours each week can get somewhere. Content also needs to be balanced around every possible combination of jobs (the reason they nerfed certain mechanics in Midas Savage: you needed a silence, when you could end up without a class being able to silence). Specially for any storyrelated content the bar is set pretty low - and people get spoiled by that.
The game isnt telling you if you're really ready to challenge specific content - not aimed directly at you, OP, you dont have to tell us again how you've watched all those guides - and that creates people like this bard I had in Xelphalot (or however you spell that) once who didnt know how to properly use their dots. At level 60. I've done Ramuh EX when it was current content and more than once I met warriors without provoke because they never bothered with leveling gladiator past 15 - needless to say that those runs were a waste of everyones time.

Anyways, point is: Not everything has to be handed to you on a silver plate - specially ex-primals shouldnt be. We're having bad progression and bad feedback about what your actual skill is at (unless you go and look for it) and thats the main reason I'm so eager to keep this "no-bonus"-option. Sometimes, I'd just like to be able to queue up for content and know that everyone in there will have seen the whole fight at least - and hopefully rightfully earned their clear.

And yes, part of the challenge might be to find a reliable group to do this content with - while its ofc great to have the convinence of DF at hand, those fights are actually more desigend with a fixed group in mind - I dont get why people are so extremly apposed of finding such a like minded group...

[EorzeaHero69]

I've seen Sophia EX being RF'd a lot even today, since she's easier to farm than Zurvan. I guess it was because I believe SE said that we'll buy her bird sometime in 3.5x with tokens.

[rjspencer4]

I've seen Sophia EX being RF'd a lot even today, since she's easier to farm than Zurvan. I guess it was because I believe SE said that we'll buy her bird sometime in 3.5x with tokens.

Zurvan is really easy to farm but RF requires the standard two tank setup. Since most farm groups prefer solo tank, many players won't use the RF for it.

[bswpayton]

Thats a pretty good observation about some majors problems here!
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who has asked for a silver plater if anything Im tryin harder tryin to hard que , I completed all the arr primals that I did in duty finder, farming alex normal for gear on my other jobs duty finder.

I did bis and ravana duty finder Dzain waas saying those ques take under 30 mins, its not a problem gettin a few people to wana do the content but gettin a whole party of 8 people to do it is a problem. I just got to this point in the game so I just simply want to have access to a decent que which I know would be better in duty finder than raid finder, because if I can get a que for the oldest content in the game then I know I could for mid tier content. I dont want a cake walk if anything your complaint is that duty finder is harder because of the players that would be in the duty finder. Duty finder simple reaches more players I dont see how you can deny the fact, anybody knows its the most used feature in the game.

@Dzian
I think you fail to give the majority of the playerbase any credit the type of player you mention is few and far in between the main issue is simply mechanics not that people dont know how to play their jobs. People struggle with mechanics the most in the game and the only way to learn is to get in and have at it , at least thats how I learn but it works with pretty much everything else in life pratice makes perfect. This game is so different now and I feel like its the players that have made it this way not SE, if you look at a guide for ramuh , titan extreme and you read the comments people failed at that 30 plus times and they didnt give up on the content and kept doing it until they suceeded. Now its set up by players that they dont even want players to have that opportunity its more so if I got mine then I dont really care about anyone else, and that is what you call an rpg I think more players should just go back to those because they clearly dont care to be apart of an mmo community.

[Vidu]

I dont want a cake walk if anything your complaint is that duty finder is harder because of the players that would be in the duty finder. Duty finder simple reaches more players I dont see how you can deny the fact, anybody knows its the most used feature in the game.

I'm not complaining and I'm not saying DF is harder - I'm saying: RF has better options to decided which what sort of players you get paired up. In a content where it matters if someone has cleared it 50 times already or just unlocked and jumped right in, that matters. I pointed out again and again that people are doing this content with different expectations and that often collides, leading to kicking people, rage quitting, you name it. To tackle this problem we got raid finder where you can choose wether you want/need to learn or if you're ready to easly clear the content. And that is good and actually gives a lot more weight to your argument that you should just expect anything in DF (you actually know that its the other way around on japanese servers, right? DF to clear and farm, PF to learn?) - because this way you're more closely to get what you've queued up for.

Give the RF a chance, just like you want us to give a new guy in a duty a chance. You're current complain is that you cant get as much wipes in as you used to but I consider the RF an actually useful tool to narrow down your DF search. Give it time, spread awarness about this feature and eventually it will become just as common as the DF, I see no reason why it shouldnt, after all. For me this is a step into the right direction and an overall good idea - if your main complaint is that currently not enough people are using it, advertising it more should be the way to go, not removing it.

[Esp]

Honestly, besides the increase in customization options, RF is no different than DF, even if it's name is different.

If people don't know where the RF is, then show them. (Or start getting people in the habit of reading the patch notes in the maintenance downtime)

If queue's for certain duties are taking too long/not filling, then put up a PF party. Cross world PF is making things easier than ever to customize your groups and what you want. This method even works for old ARR primals.

PF, DF, or RF, you can still get a bunch of randoms to join you, you still have to wait for it to fill and can still help out as many as you like. Only difference is that with at least two of them, you yourself can customize your preferences as you see fit.

Nothing needs to be changed, least in my eyes.

[Mimilu]

The OP is just going to keep talking in circles if you guys keep trying to reason with them... =w=

If your main concern is that going into 4.0, these things will still be in the RF, don't worry, they'll be moved to the DF by 4.0 when the new savage raids and ex trials show up, just like all the other stuff that was originally in the RF. =w=

[Yudzster]

i like this dude's thread, always enjoyable to read