SE please stop putting ex primals in the raid finder and put them back in duty finder

[bswpayton]

Somewhere you missed my point and somewhere I lost yours aswell - you're "complaining" now about experienend people in endgame-content being unhappy with seeing a newbie and "ragging" .

You seem to totally be missing my point, rf sure is fine for now while people are farming the content etc for their birds and want their quick clears etc. But note I have said over and over that I used df to do the Arr primals, and it was other first time players in my groups which means they also used df. If Thordan extreme , Levitation etc where in raid finder then I would have never gotten a sync clear because the time that had passed nobody would be farming it for anything the weapons are old maybe people had the ponies whatever it may be. My only option would have been the bs feature called unsync which I dont even wana get on right now not what this thread is about.

So not only are ques in rf bad now as Ive tried with two healers and a tank being me and got zero people to join with over 30 mins passing. They would be nonexistent in the future when everyone is doing storm blood content, but the thing is unless other players stop signing up for the game then there will be others that want to do this content regardless and they will have a much higher rate of getting in the instance through duty finder than they would in raid finder. I dont only think of myself here I never do I have time and time again said that people want to do content as was but the community tells them this is how its done so they just go with the program. So why allow these primals to be put in a position of no mans zone even when they have new content, it shouldn't be but in rf it would be because again that is for raids, the primals need to be open to as many people as possible that play the game and that is not in rf.

And I watch videos on every piece of content I do follow xeynos for warrior and tanking info, mr happy on content , and mtq, their guides havent failed me on any other content so I doubt it would in any of the stuff that you mention. I plan to do A1s - As12 just because its in the game , but I expect it to be in rf because it is a raid. NO primal is on the level of a raid and like I said they didnt multiple the difficultly of hw primals to be 2000 times harder than their arr predecessors and guides and practice allowed me to clear those. So I dont really see your point in mentioning I havent cleared the new stuff, the only reason I didnt is because I hadn't even done them yet and thats why Im here asking to do them to go back into df where they belong. And let raiders play with their statics, and use pf, if they dont want to be bothered by anyone approach the content when its new because its new to them if they have never done it.

[Vidu]

Okay, yep, you're not getting what I'm saying - I'm sorry, but if a different menu is to difficult to find for people... phew... it is nothing but a different system (with a nice filter feature). Its a system everyone has access to. If people cant be bothered to use it... geez... you're really saying people are to stupid to use a different menu to queue up for content?

RF is not bad, period. If people cant find it, they obviously dont care enough about doing that content at all - IT IS A FREAKING DIFFERENT MENU! Right below DF - dont make it sound as if it would be some crazy loophole to jump through to queue up for that content so that people dont bother with it anymore. Why cant you give the RF a chance, just as you're asking us to give new players a chance? People will get used to it eventually - specially those who are actually doing ex-primals.

Listen, I get that you want to do this content a certain way - but if not enough people share this wish, there is nothing that can be done about it.
The PF argument goes both ways - I can tell you to make a PF to learn just as legit as you can tell me to make a PF to farm. No one of us is more entitled to their prefered experience in DF. However RF allows both of us to queue up for excatly what we want, if we get enough people who share our interest isnt excatly up to the system.

[bswpayton]

Okay, yep, you're not getting what I'm saying - I'm sorry, but if a different menu is to difficult to find for people... phew... it is nothing but a different system (with a nice filter feature). Its a system everyone has access to. If people cant be bothered to use it... geez... you're really saying people are to stupid to use a different menu to queue up for content?
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The second poster on this thread showed where it is an issue for multiple people and that some of this stuff use to be in duty finder instead of raid finder if anything it should be in both. Yes people know of the feature but up until recently I just thought it was for the raids only. But I guess I will have to resort to pf its just a bit annoying when I could of done it in df like all the other ones, I really think its a disservice to the majority of players that just simply want to play the game.

[RLofOBFL]

I agree. I've actually had many people ask me where the raid finder was...or where ex primals were only to be met with confusion when I say raid finder.

[Dzian]

I dont see any , hardly I see mostly bird farms and clear parties, and I mean zurvan is the latest primal so for now people are still doing him frequently. But Id rather not skip to zurvan before I clear sep, thordan , and sophia. It makes no sense at all for them to be in raid finder its not a raid and shouldnt be treated as such, duty finder even if abandoned its still more frequently used, I can get a que for ravana and bis for wt in under 20 mins. So I dont see what the issue would be putting them back in the duty finder, because again even when storm blood comes out their will still be other players filtering through and they will have a better chance in df than rf.

They were put in the raid finder for the same reason raid finder exists in the first place. to filter out players. because doing extreme primals and savages in duty finder was impossible to get clears.. raid finder was added so players could queue up those fights and get matched only with people who had clears thus have at least a decent chance of actually getting more clears...

I get quite a few groups in raid finder for various extremes. and often I tend to prefer the raid finder cos it means I can jump in do 1 or 2 runs and jump out. where pf groups tend to expect you do stick around for a much longer time than just a couple of runs.. plus a growing trend on party finders is ridiculous ilevel requirements. zurv ex farm 265+ ilevel requirements.... so raid finder it is. and it works.. i'd say 80% of my sophic weapons and totems came from raid finder in 3.4... and currently almost all my zurvan things are from raid finder groups. because of the ridiculous ilevels on party finders. (no weapons won but 22 totems)..

RF has the nice addition that you can queue up with "no bonus", making farming through RF a LOT easier because you can make sure not to get paired up with new people each time - even with being a mentor, sometimes I prefer to just get my own stuff done and a Sophia-clear takes 10 minutes, not 45. So I actually like that feature very much (and we dont have it in DF)..

This is true but I feel it needs more restrictions as well. because queing > incomplete > completion when it's your first time or you haven't it made it past the adds shouldn't be possible... the only option you should be allowed to use is "practice" until you've got the boss down to single digits or see nthe enrage or something...

in both zurvan and soph I got to a point pretty fast where I was getting to 3-5% several times and every group I got after that couldn't even make it to or past the adds. just people ticking completion hoping for a carry when they should have queud practice and not wasted everyones time....

Also these restrictions need to work in pf groups as well. cos theres a topic here where people are saying people with bonus are sneaking into farm parties.... if someone has bonus it shouldn't let the leader queue "Complete > completion" cos someone doesn't meet requirements....... yet it seems it does.. which again seems to be contrary to the reason the raid finder was implemented in the first place

[bswpayton]

They were put in the raid finder

So basically ur saying screw the people that's still working on their heavens ward story or arr story. What I hear is this is my content cause I made it here first that's just horrible and unwelcoming. I really wonder at what point someone is suppose to learn hard content. It's unsync the old bis and ravana are to easy so supposbly that's not enough to have access to anything else sense it's all locked in rf. I feel like the community must want bad players are something.

[Vidu]

I agree. I've actually had many people ask me where the raid finder was...or where ex primals were only to be met with confusion when I say raid finder.

So... they asked someone, got an answer and now they know and can use and access the content thats in raidfinder? Because they were able to inform themself about it? That sounds like a pretty good solution to me, actually! Better than just flat out removing a feature that, when its working correctly, is benefitting everyone (except ofc those people who dont really want to learn the fights and are just hoping that seven random people will carry them)

So basically ur saying screw the people that's still working on their heavens ward story or arr story. What I hear is this is my content cause I made it here first that's just horrible and unwelcoming. I really wonder at what point someone is suppose to learn hard content. It's unsync the old bis and ravana are to easy so supposbly that's not enough to have access to anything else sense it's all locked in rf. I feel like the community must want bad players are something.

Okay, how do you actually think the majority of people did this content? We're not denying anyone access to this content when we're saying that we also like the addition of being able to run this content without teaching it once in a while. It is not "locked" in raidfinder - infact content is getting less and less gated by the game itself - its just a different menu. We're not claiming this content for us, we're just saying: Now there is less interest in said content, because people want to do the new stuff - thats why you see 20 Zurvan groups but only 5 for other ex-primals.
You're more than welcome to approach this content and I can only advice you to build a network for content like this - yes, yes, you only got a few casual friends and an FC thats not interested in EX-primals. But guess what - so did I. And when I wanted to do this content the proper way, I started to build a linkshell, picking up every person from ex-primal-groups that were formed through PF who seemed nice, skilled and interested in trying further content together. I must have collected about 60 people now and if we wish we can do content without even touching DF/RF (or well, without randoms).

You feel as if you're being left out when you insist on doing this content a very specific way, that simply doesnt seem to be shared by enough others - that is a shame ofc, but why should I suffer for that?

[Riardon]

The problem is few people bother to use RF. There are even some people who don't know where it is. As for the groups. Did you even think that when you don't see any groups currently on PF you can actually make your own? Why everyone always waiting for someone else to create groups?

[Nixxe]

What exactly is the difference between RF and DF? I've never used the former. Is it more like PF or DF? It seems to me like it's just DF that enables greater selectivity, but I could be wrong, having never used it.

[DrWho2010]

that's pretty much right. Raid Finder allows for queuing for party formation where you have either cleared it or have not. of the options for not having cleared it before - you can choose practice and which part of the fight you are trying to get down - right now there's just choices for beginning or final phase. Or you can choose to go for duty completion (i.e. a kill/clear party). all these options group ppl into like minded categories to better pair ppl up with like minded goals. Duty Finder just throws everyone together regardless of fight status.