SE please stop putting ex primals in the raid finder and put them back in duty finder

[Vidu]

Okay, so you're telling me that people who are interested in doing this content dont do it because... they cant figure out how to queue for it? Sounds like a good reason to keep people who arent fit for the content out - sorry, being a bit sarcastic here, but if you fail at queuing up because you have to open a different window, I'm worried if you can manage to even get out of an AoE. Your assumption that people dont queue up for this content because they're to dumb to find the queue-window for it, doesnt really hold up. If someone wants to do this content, they'll figure out how to. Granted, they could "advertise" the RF better, but other than that its just a different menu...

I would argue that the reason most people arent doing the more complex/difficult/recent Ex-Primals through RF is the same it always has been: Getting paired up with seven random guys isnt the best way to tackle those fights, since they require coordination, communication and knowledge of the fight. So its prefered NOT to do them in RF/DF in the first place since it will lead to a lot frustation. You're just more sucessful when you can get a full team together, so thats what most people are doing.

RF has the nice addition that you can queue up with "no bonus", making farming through RF a LOT easier because you can make sure not to get paired up with new people each time - even with being a mentor, sometimes I prefer to just get my own stuff done and a Sophia-clear takes 10 minutes, not 45. So I actually like that feature very much (and we dont have it in DF).
I dont want to give up on this just because queuing up for it is a bit more of an inconvenience for the solo-player - and again I doubt that RF is the reason for that, I believe its more the nature of the content. Bismarck and Ravana are the easier primals, no surprise people are more willing to queue up for those with DF. It was the same in ARR - the easy primals like Ruda you were able to queue up for, the more difficult ones... not so much.

And: As long as those duties in RF they wont show up in your mentor roulette, so if they stay there, why worry about that? And if they can show up in your roulette, they've been moved to DF, so... there isnt a problem? Since you can just do them at that point then. Through DF. As you want.

[bswpayton]

Okay, so you're telling me that people who are interested in doing this content dont do it because... they cant figure out how to queue for it? Sounds like a good reason to keep people who arent fit for the content out - sorry, being a bit sarcastic here, but if you fail at queuing up because you have to open a different window, I'm worried if you can manage to even get out of an AoE. Your assumption that people

Ok well ramuh would be considered a harder extreme primal from arr it took time but after about 4 or 5 tries I cleared it without a party abandoning. Its more so of probability unlike other players I dont expect to go in and win every time for me its about learning the content seeing where I can improve and seeing where I can give tips to others.

I have been in parties where people have failed garuda extreme , and it doesn't bother me I knew what I was signing up for when I went in to a df. The success rate of clearing for me doesnt have to be extremely high, Ive had parties fail bis, and ravana but the fact that access is higher gives me a better chance than a niche feature like rf that from what Ive seen on primal nobody uses for anything other than Alexander. For people who dont want to do it the df way they clearly already have their option and thats pf some people enjoy this feature I do not, so all of the other primals were in df so its no reason to not have these in there as well even if they are harder. Its not about them being harder its about which feature is more used and df is clearly more used by the player base than rf.

[Dzian]

I dont see any , hardly I see mostly bird farms and clear parties, and I mean zurvan is the latest primal so for now people are still doing him frequently. But Id rather not skip to zurvan before I clear sep, thordan , and sophia. It makes no sense at all for them to be in raid finder its not a raid and shouldnt be treated as such, duty finder even if abandoned its still more frequently used, I can get a que for ravana and bis for wt in under 20 mins. So I dont see what the issue would be putting them back in the duty finder, because again even when storm blood comes out their will still be other players filtering through and they will have a better chance in df than rf.

They were put in the raid finder for the same reason raid finder exists in the first place. to filter out players. because doing extreme primals and savages in duty finder was impossible to get clears.. raid finder was added so players could queue up those fights and get matched only with people who had clears thus have at least a decent chance of actually getting more clears...

I get quite a few groups in raid finder for various extremes. and often I tend to prefer the raid finder cos it means I can jump in do 1 or 2 runs and jump out. where pf groups tend to expect you do stick around for a much longer time than just a couple of runs.. plus a growing trend on party finders is ridiculous ilevel requirements. zurv ex farm 265+ ilevel requirements.... so raid finder it is. and it works.. i'd say 80% of my sophic weapons and totems came from raid finder in 3.4... and currently almost all my zurvan things are from raid finder groups. because of the ridiculous ilevels on party finders. (no weapons won but 22 totems)..

RF has the nice addition that you can queue up with "no bonus", making farming through RF a LOT easier because you can make sure not to get paired up with new people each time - even with being a mentor, sometimes I prefer to just get my own stuff done and a Sophia-clear takes 10 minutes, not 45. So I actually like that feature very much (and we dont have it in DF)..

This is true but I feel it needs more restrictions as well. because queing > incomplete > completion when it's your first time or you haven't it made it past the adds shouldn't be possible... the only option you should be allowed to use is "practice" until you've got the boss down to single digits or see nthe enrage or something...

in both zurvan and soph I got to a point pretty fast where I was getting to 3-5% several times and every group I got after that couldn't even make it to or past the adds. just people ticking completion hoping for a carry when they should have queud practice and not wasted everyones time....

Also these restrictions need to work in pf groups as well. cos theres a topic here where people are saying people with bonus are sneaking into farm parties.... if someone has bonus it shouldn't let the leader queue "Complete > completion" cos someone doesn't meet requirements....... yet it seems it does.. which again seems to be contrary to the reason the raid finder was implemented in the first place