Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

[The_NPC]

Thou not a Mentor myself (thou I can get the crown, I just don't want it) I have never kicked a person for low DPS in a 4-man dungeon EVER (going AFK without warning or DC'd sure but not for low DPS) i'd rather try several times & having ppl eather leave outa frustration or a vote-abandon passing then kick someone for being "low" or "Barely" geared.

Sure having the player-base declared "Essential" cross-class skills is a good idea just the only class I can see actually having 1 skill they NEED no matter what is Provoke from GLD for DRK/WAR, sure Invigorate or Swift cast is helpful but not exactly a NEED more a "Good idea to have to make you stronger/adaptable"

my only words for this are just be glad u arn't with them anymore & try again because the only person who can stop you from giving up is you

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Thou not a Mentor myself (thou I can get the crown, I just don't want it) I have never kicked a person for low DPS in a 4-man dungeon EVER (going AFK without warning or DC'd sure but not for low DPS) i'd rather try several times & having ppl eather leave outa frustration or a vote-abandon passing then kick someone for being "low" or "Barely" geared.

Sure having the player-base declared "Essential" cross-class skills is a good idea just the only class I can see actually having 1 skill they NEED no matter what is Provoke from GLD for DRK/WAR, sure Invigorate or Swift cast is helpful but not exactly a NEED more a "Good idea to have to make you stronger/adaptable"

my only words for this are just be glad u arn't with them anymore & try again because the only person who can stop you from giving up is you

Depends. Flip the coin round OP said they don't have much time. How do you know the other 3 people are not casuals and that don't have enough time either.

So easy to say its 5 mins etc or there is 90 mins on the clock. Without all the facts and other side of the story it's pointless. So saying just abandon instead of kicking isn't fair on the other members.

[DPZ2]

Depends. Flip the coin round OP said they don't have much time. How do you know the other 3 people are not casuals and that don't have enough time either.

One of the 3 people was a MENTOR. Hence, not a casual. QED.

[Vidu]

One of the 3 people was a MENTOR. Hence, not a casual. QED.

The requirements of becoming a mentor are so low, that you can easly play casually and still reach them... hence why people are creating threads about how that has to change

[Nixxe]

The requirements of becoming a mentor are so low, that you can easly play casually and still reach them... hence why people are creating threads about how that has to change

I don't know what anyone else's NN is like, but as a recently returned player, the types of questions I saw getting asked aren't ones you need to be a hardcore player to answer. Being casual is probably perfectly fine 90% of the time because people mostly ask stuff like what this hunt mob is or how to do this in the UI or how they get access to such and such dungeon. They're generally not asking about endgame or precise theorycrafting for whatever class. I hadn't played in over a year at the time I returned and I was able to answer a great many questions, despite needing to ask a lot of questions myself to figure out what all I needed to do to catch up. I think the actual problem with the requirements isn't that they're too easy, but rather that they're too narrow. The game is a lot more than just instanced content and the questions asked are rather broad in terms of what they cover. I'd actually suggest reducing the number of instances required and adding achievements related to other types of content, like fates or the hunt.

[Vidu]

I think the actual problem with the requirements isn't that they're too easy, but rather that they're too narrow. The game is a lot more than just instanced content and the questions asked are rather broad in terms of what they cover. I'd actually suggest reducing the number of instances required and adding achievements related to other types of content

Oh yeah, I know - and I would argue that the mentor system needs to be changed though, to make sure that someone being a mentor is actually qualified to give advice and be helpful. Right not the system is flawed though - I only wanted to point that, other than suggested by DPZ2, you dont have to be a hardcore player to become a mentor. So my argument was basically: "You can become a mentor without being a hardcore player" not "You should be a hardcore player to become a mentor".
But thats actually a different discussion that might belong in one of the "change the mentor system" threads

[Nixxe]

Oh yeah, I know - and I would argue that the mentor system needs to be changed though, to make sure that someone being a mentor is actually qualified to give advice and be helpful. Right not the system is flawed though - I only wanted to point that, other than suggested by DPZ2, you dont have to be a hardcore player to become a mentor. So my argument was basically: "You can become a mentor without being a hardcore player" not "You should be a hardcore player to become a mentor".
But thats actually a different discussion that might belong in one of the "change the mentor system" threads

Ah, I see. But yes, you're probably right that it's better left to another thread.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

One of the 3 people was a MENTOR. Hence, not a casual. QED.

Just because someone is a mentor it doesn't mean they are not a casual. They could of hit those requirements a very long time ago and now only play a few hours a week.