Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

[Reinha]

If you equip a VIT ring (for tanks) ilvl 205 and achieving an average ilvl of 205, your real (role-related) ilvl is more close to 187 !!!

Min iLevel, while you can get away with tricking the system by wearing some pieces of gear at a much higher iLevel and having some gear at a much lower level; you are going to be hurting yourself and your teammates if all of your gear isn't the min iLevel for the dungeon. Your overall stats will be LOWER than the requirement for the dungeon

Also it doesnt matter that you have a few items 250. Yes you hit the ilvl, but when it syncs you down the 250 items are capped but your accessories are way under the cap. This means your damage is going to be massively reduced.
***Could be slightly worse or better as it was roughly done. I am sure some of you math kids could do it better :P

That's terrible. That's like being i155 in an i200 + Dungeon on top of missing other cross classed skills.

Oh my gods can you stop with the misinformation? There is no item level sync in Sohr Khai and the OP was not undergeared for that dungeon. She would have been worse off stat wise in full 200 ilvl Aiming gear.

Explanation:

What the OP was wearing (iirc):

250 Teak Composite Bow HQ
150 Chimerical Felt Coif of Aiming NQ
250 Star Velvet Tabard of Aiming HQ
250 Hemiskin Gloves of Aiming HQ
230 Torrent Belt of Aiming
250 Hemiskin Trousers of Aiming HQ
250 Hemiskin Leggings of Aiming HQ
150 Chrysolite Earrings of Fending HQ
150 Citrine Choker of Aiming HQ
150 Chrysolite Bracelet of Fending HQ
150 Chrysolite Ring of Aiming HQ
150 Chrysolite Ring of Fending HQ

Stats: 776 dex, 867 vit, 383 crit, 168 det, 328 sks, 308 acc. Total secondaries 1187.


What someone in their minimum required (200 item level) gear could be wearing: Void Ark left side, Ardent right side, one Gordian ring and Antiquated Berimbau.

Stats: 720 dex, 524 vit, 326 crit, 260 det, 282 sks, 247 acc. Total secondaries 1115.


The OP had 56 dexterity, 343 vitality and 72 secondary stats more than someone who uses all 200 gear (+one 210 ring), and their weapon had more damage than a 200 ilvl bow would have. None of this gets scaled down because there is no item sync in that dungeon yet. Even though some items had the word "fending" on them she had more dps stats (dex+secondaries) than is minimally required and was therefore not undergeared for that dungeon. The effect of the weapon and left side gear is much bigger and so the OP was right to upgrade those first.

The gear was not optimal but it was adequate and in fact better than the minimum requirement stat-wise. What a mentor isn't supposed to do is get pissy and kick someone from an easy story dungeon for their gear when it's adequate. Just give tips on how to find some fast upgrades, or alternatively throw away the crown icon if you don't want to be helpful to new players. I don't know what her performance was like but going by the expectations here for everyone to overgear any dungeon it's likely that the mentor's expectations for dps were higher than is reasonable for that content.

On a more general note, I find it extremely funny that most people would consider expert dungeons to be faceroll easy even on the day they are out and beg from the devs for more difficult things to do, and yet so many in this thread go straight for the throat of someone who doesn't overgear a dungeon by a large margin. So are the level 60 dungeons difficult or not? Make up your mind.

Personally I have experimented with expert dungeons and healed Antitower in DF wearing nothing but a weapon and a robe while it was current content. My average item level was around 60-80 (yes double digit) and no one noticed/commented because it doesn't make a damn difference as long as your weapon is good.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

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Would you accept someone who showed up in a level 60 dungeon without a neckpiece, earrings and missing 1 ring? Because using accessories which don't have your stats on them is only very very slightly better.
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I once healed an Aurum Vale where one of the dps went afk and got kicked and the replacement ninja only had on his weapon and accessories...

(-_-);

[ManuelBravo]

Over all everyone deserves a chance, however if people have to carry them we at least give them some advice unless we completely wipe do to the handicap. We explain that we are willing to help but if their output is too low, or really don't know the job we will vote to what is best for the group. It may seem unfair to some but this is a teamwork effort.

[Llus]

What the OP was wearing (iirc):

250 Teak Composite Bow HQ
150 Chimerical Felt Coif of Aiming NQ
250 Star Velvet Tabard of Aiming HQ
250 Hemiskin Gloves of Aiming HQ
230 Torrent Belt of Aiming
250 Hemiskin Trousers of Aiming HQ
250 Hemiskin Leggings of Aiming HQ
150 Chrysolite Earrings of Fending HQ
150 Citrine Choker of Aiming HQ
150 Chrysolite Bracelet of Fending HQ
150 Chrysolite Ring of Aiming HQ
150 Chrysolite Ring of Fending HQ

If you're DPS is low and other players see this gear on you, what do you expect them to do? Calculate your stats or kick you because you're undergeared and wearing the wrong gear for your job?

[Vidu]

Oh my gods can you stop with the misinformation? There is no item level sync in Sohr Khai and the OP was not undergeared for that dungeon. She would have been worse off stat wise in full 200 ilvl Aiming gear.

It might be my personal approach here but I dont care that much about the actual stats in a case like this in the end - I dont have time to calculate that in a dungeon anyways. By wearing the wrong type of gear - both stat and ilvl-wise (several pieces 50 ilvls below the requirement?) - they're showing a lack of care for their gear and by that a lack of care for their fellow teammates. Adding the attitude they showed in this thread - nope, nope, nope. You're part of a team and that requires you to come prepared - dont tell me that the OP calculated the stats on that gear and was like "Oh yeah, I'll get this lowlevel gear because its after all better than the ilvl200 stuff!"

Grats for no one noticing that you've been running dungeons naked, I guess (even though: with the amount of healing needed in this game, I'm not surprised - I've healed myself through the first two groups of neverreap when it was current content on my paladin because the healer dc'd) - I know its mostly about the weapon, but in this cases its also about your attitude. And if that is "I only care that I get to do MY stuff now" its unrespectful towards everyone else. You're part of a team, act like it.