Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

[ShadowYomi]

While i feel that there is more to the story than we are being told this does show a lack of being able to compromise. Most dungeons should only take 30 at most if you are carrying someone or if they are afk and the group isn't wiping. That is if the group doesn't mind carrying someone. If you are expecting a full 60 minutes you are expecting that the group will wipe a lot either to a failed mechanic or a dps check.

While you said your time was limited so are other peoples time. Some people may view it as wrong but the people in the group still have the right to kick you or just leave that group and not play with you. Within that 60 minutes a person can see your gear or lack of cross class as red flag that it would be better to just take the 30 minute penalty do something else in game and come back to a new group that could clear it within 30 minutes.

[LunarEmerald]

Being kicked multiple times should be a sign that there's something wrong with your attitude or the way you're playing.

You can't play however you want and expect others to deal with it.

[Lufir]

You can get by the majority of the game without cross class skills and under performing gear. And sure, the mentor was probably wrong. But OP, you are entering a part of the game where there is some challenge coming your way, especially if you refuse to increase the power of your character. Yes, it is story content but you aren't in your level 30s anymore. Take the advice from some of the posters here and start putting the time into character development before advancing to far into the story and frustrate yourself with more vote kicks. The upcoming Aery has a few punishing mechanics for low dps. The Vault is even worse. Legitimate excuses or not, you are going to have a tough time with fellow players and content if you don't set aside time to strengthen your job. Just set aside an hour or two every play session and bust through it

[Alleo]

This is a complicated topic simply because we only know one side of the story. And first I was feeling bad for the OP but the more I read I kinda felt less sorry for them.

Since you can only que for the mentor roulette solo, the other two people are normally strangers, so that person couldn't have his friend vote too. Which means that at least one other person was always the same opinion as the mentor. If this happens once it might just be a mistake but twice in a row for the same reason? Sounds to me that there is more behind it than we know. (Also you can never be sure if it was truly the mentor that started the kick. Just because they voiced their negative opinion on it does not make it 100% sure that they were behind it)

And I don't think anyone should count as really new if they are in a lvl 60 dungeon. I am completely fine with giving low level players tips on their rotation and I will always try to explain the mechanics in any fight (even without the crown, which I barely wear anyway) if someone is new. But I dont see it as my job to explain someone at 60 how to play their job and depending on which job it is, I just simply cant do it since I dont have all my jobs at 60. I also dont see it as my job to carry someone through content. If a person barely does anything or is always dieing I will ask them whats the matter since there could be always laggs and other things. If they wont answer or simply dont care and will hinder the dungeon too much, well than I wont care about them too and will try to get someone else. This does not happen often since I am way too patience and often carry those players..

It would just be the best for all if everyone tries to remember that they que into group content and are not playing a solo game. This means that sometimes there might be new people that will need your help and that might not play exactly the same way that you do. Trying to be patient with them can be the best for all. At the same time new players should always try to do their best. This means that they should have at least good equipment that is for their job and not for some other job to get in and have at least some cross-class skills. Because even if you are "new" you cant just go into a content and hope that other people are carrying your weight or will take 60 minutes to clear something. You will always need even better equipment for the next dungeons so it might be the best to start earlier and try to be up to date with the right items.

[The_NPC]

Thou not a Mentor myself (thou I can get the crown, I just don't want it) I have never kicked a person for low DPS in a 4-man dungeon EVER (going AFK without warning or DC'd sure but not for low DPS) i'd rather try several times & having ppl eather leave outa frustration or a vote-abandon passing then kick someone for being "low" or "Barely" geared.

Sure having the player-base declared "Essential" cross-class skills is a good idea just the only class I can see actually having 1 skill they NEED no matter what is Provoke from GLD for DRK/WAR, sure Invigorate or Swift cast is helpful but not exactly a NEED more a "Good idea to have to make you stronger/adaptable"

my only words for this are just be glad u arn't with them anymore & try again because the only person who can stop you from giving up is you

[ManuelBravo]

Over all everyone deserves a chance, however if people have to carry them we at least give them some advice unless we completely wipe do to the handicap. We explain that we are willing to help but if their output is too low, or really don't know the job we will vote to what is best for the group. It may seem unfair to some but this is a teamwork effort.

[Arutan]

It is unfortunate, but there is really nothing you can do about it. Maybe one day you can report mentors and they can revoke their crowns for their abuse of the vote kick button.

You can already do that. When you become mentor you have a window telling yu that you agree keeping a good behavior. If you see a jerk mentor you can report him and he'll never be able ever again to be mentor.
In this situation you can also report for judging on someone's DPS and kicking him for that.

[Berethos]

She would have been worse off stat wise in full 200 ilvl Aiming gear.

Given the ease of getting the ilvl 200 gear via Centurio Marks, there's no reason any of the non-250 pieces should have been anything below 200, and a combination of the current 250 pieces and filling out the rest with 200 would have been both better than the gear combination used or full 200.

[Canadane]

After realizing he wasn't just underperforming but misgeared, it actually makes the most sense a mentor would be looking him. Who better to recognize a problem? You can't count on novices to see this.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Thou not a Mentor myself (thou I can get the crown, I just don't want it) I have never kicked a person for low DPS in a 4-man dungeon EVER (going AFK without warning or DC'd sure but not for low DPS) i'd rather try several times & having ppl eather leave outa frustration or a vote-abandon passing then kick someone for being "low" or "Barely" geared.

Sure having the player-base declared "Essential" cross-class skills is a good idea just the only class I can see actually having 1 skill they NEED no matter what is Provoke from GLD for DRK/WAR, sure Invigorate or Swift cast is helpful but not exactly a NEED more a "Good idea to have to make you stronger/adaptable"

my only words for this are just be glad u arn't with them anymore & try again because the only person who can stop you from giving up is you

Depends. Flip the coin round OP said they don't have much time. How do you know the other 3 people are not casuals and that don't have enough time either.

So easy to say its 5 mins etc or there is 90 mins on the clock. Without all the facts and other side of the story it's pointless. So saying just abandon instead of kicking isn't fair on the other members.