Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

[Freerider]

To add to that I mean if you set a time I'd be happy to run the content with you. Some of us mentors do actually want to help trust me. That's why I got the crown in the first place.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Not to be one of those creepers dude, but, looked up your character on Lodestone. Your gear is "fine" (used loosely- should really upgrade your accessories too), however you really need to get your lancer up to 34. Blood for Blood for the DPS, but more importantly, you lack invigorate. You have no sustainable DPS, especially an AoE intensive dungeon like SKHM (when you get to it).

Basically, you failed to do your part as a DPS, but came here to complain. It's probably situations like this that are why SE is doing the whole role system instead of the cross class system.

Yet this is exactly what a mentor should of told them instead of kicking. They are also under the cap as that place drops 215 gear, so yes their dps will be low.

So what you're telling me is that because a dungeon will take 5 more minutes its worth a kick and re que because I didnt have my cross skill abilities even tho I met the min requirements to even qie for it?

This statement I am afraid is an overreaction, as the only reason dps would of come up in the dungeon would of been due to wipes. If this were the case then no we are not talking an extra 5 mins to a duty. Either way though when players are spamming dungeons over and over again 5 - 10 mins extra does become an issue.

This is one of those times although the mentor was in the wrong, due to not actually giving you advice etc. Albeit some people have given you advice here. So if you chose to continue without the skills, then any kick will be your own fault.

And before people say that's harsh, well, sorry, that's also true. i202 in Sohr Khai? Sohr Khai was patch 3.3. i220 would've been considered a low ilevel at the time. It's extremely easy to get better gear so what is your group supposed to think? They'll think you're inconsiderate and return that favor.

This comment is silly yes it was easier for us but we were capped on gear. That place drops 215 gear, so to expect a player to have 220+ gear is just plain stupid.

People in this thread are focusing way too much on whether OP has couple cross class abilities. They won't significantly affect your damage. Of course they are nice to have but that's that.

Not having a couple of cross class skills does make a difference. My other class is monk and not having Invigorate would be a total dps killer.

**Sorry but I was wrong I would of kicked too for the gear and I have done in the past. You have cheated the system to get the minimum ilvl. You wont pump out the bare minimum dps, just like a tank can't take the hits and a mages cures are not strong enough when ilvl is cheated.

[Freerider]

Some mentors do want to help. Find a time and if you are on aether data center I'd be happy to help you through the content.

[Skeltal-Bons]

Damn, this turned into a mentor roast thread real fast

[Paah]

People in this thread are focusing way too much on whether OP has couple cross class abilities. They won't significantly affect your damage. Of course they are nice to have but that's that.

I have both chat logs saved and sent to a GM which will showcase what I am talking about. If I meet the min requirements for an instance I should be able to play it. So what if a dungeon takes 5 more minutes. Grow up

One thing I can say for sure this kind of attitude won't help you get anywhere. Saying "so what if the dungeon takes 5 more minutes" makes me believe much less that you have actually learned how to play your class, you obviously don't care. And if your dps was low in the first place and you would start spouting stuff like this inside the dungeon I would be inclined to select Yes on that vote kick too.

[JunseiKei]

People in this thread are focusing way too much on whether OP has couple cross class abilities. They won't significantly affect your damage.

More like it's a point to be proven. People mistake all cross class abilities as optional. Originally, SE did intend that. However, they went on to design fights that then required these skills.

Tanks need Provoke.
Healers need Swiftcast.
Physical DPS need Invigorate.

If you can say they don't need these three skills in the least, then you can say OP absolutely does not need invigorate at all.

[Pure3ify]

It's a level 22 lancer for the skill you need, small investment to get it, but you just said the magic phrase. Playing the game you want to play it. Everyone else be damned, right? Unfortunately, that's what mentors are doing when they kick you, so that's hypocrisy.

Nice way of twisting my words to help your side of this. Playing the way i want to play it is exactly what I meant. I enjoy range DPS which is why I have stuck with a Bard. The fact that I have cleared every other dungeon until now with no kicking or problems states the obvious that it wasnt my DPS that was the problem. It was "elitist" players like yourself who look down on new players because they dont do 10% extra damage or replenish their own TP or because a dungeon will take longer to complete. Since you cant seem to read earlier replies I already stated i fully inderstand my role and how to appropriately use my class with the abilities i have.

[AlexanderThorolund]

I have never seen this happen. and I play this game like an addiction. I don't get how people run into these problems. There has to be more behind it tbh.

[Pure3ify]

People in this thread are focusing way too much on whether OP has couple cross class abilities. They won't significantly affect your damage. Of course they are nice to have but that's that.



One thing I can say for sure this kind of attitude won't help you get anywhere. Saying "so what if the dungeon takes 5 more minutes" makes me believe much less that you have actually learned how to play your class, you obviously don't care. And if your dps was low in the first place and you would start spouting stuff like this inside the dungeon I would be inclined to select Yes on that vote kick too.

How could I spout stuff like this in a dungeon if I am kicked at the beginning? I am always friendly and say hi and dont patronize people because they are new. If im new I state im new but i watched a guide so i understand mechanics. NEVER have I been negative towards others ingame. Just those on a thread who attack and belittle those who are stating a problem.

[Brian_]

So people in this topic want mentors to be held accountable.

But what about people like the TC? What about their accountability?

It's hard to tell exactly how bad their DPS was in that run. If it really was bad, then what is a mentor supposed to do? Spend 60 minutes showing the TC guides, helping them practice their basic rotation, and telling them how to gear while the other 2 people die of boredom at their keyboard? The mentor might have some obligation to help TC, but not the other 2 people.

So people want the mentor to be considerate.

What about the students? If you don't study for a test, don't do your HW, and don't come to class, you pay a price in real life. The teacher will fail you and it seems like in this case, the TC came unprepared and failed.

And before people say that's harsh, well, sorry, that's also true. i202 in Sohr Khai? Sohr Khai was patch 3.3. i220 would've been considered a low ilevel at the time. It's extremely easy to get better gear so what is your group supposed to think? They'll think you're inconsiderate and return that favor. The TC was using i150 gear in Sohr Khai.