Is DPS'ing as a Healer Vote Kickable?

[Ilenya]

SE should just lock Cleric Stance in synched dungeons/raids etc..
- done with those "complains"
- done with those unjustified Vote-kicks, because some people want a run a few mins faster
- done with dramas about it!

I get complaining, but locking this would cause quite a number of healers to just stop healing. The simple fact of the matter is healer DPS is always going to just be a matter that is decided by the healer in question. If they are comfortable with it, they should, if not, then don't. It really should be that simple. Taking away a tool for those who use it just punishes them because some people don't want them doing anything but.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Admittedly, the only real reason to queue up as a healer in this game is to take it easy with a highly dumbed down dps rotation and half afk while doing it. The actual healing part in this game feels like such an afterthought that I've gone through entire runs forgetting I was a WHM/AST, and I probably wouldn't have remembered in the first place if someone doesn't point it out after the second boss.

I really do wish healing was more important, rather than feeling like a boring dps slog, but that's just how the game is designed.

[Lambdafish]

Admittedly, the only real reason to queue up as a healer in this game is to take it easy with a highly dumbed down dps rotation and half afk while doing it. The actual healing part in this game feels like such an afterthought that I've gone through entire runs forgetting I was a WHM/AST, and I probably wouldn't have remembered in the first place if someone doesn't point it out after the second boss.

I really do wish healing was more important, rather than feeling like a boring dps slog, but that's just how the game is designed.

This is probably the only pro-heal only comment that I will agree with. Healers shouldn't have to DPS because there should be more to do as a healer that isn't DPS. CURRENTLY yes, You should DPS as a healer, it is how you play your job. But most importantly is that you should be doing something on every cast, and because the healer requirement is so low. This is why you must fill those gaps with DPS, the better healer you are, the more you will maximise your DPS, but all healers should be doing some form of damage to fill the gaps that they don't need to heal (I have had some bosses where selene has solo healed, don't ever tell me you can't DPS). I just wish that SE shifted the meta so that healers could be doing other things that related more to buffing/protecting/casting things on allies in the downtime between healing.

Edit: The one thing they can't do is up the healing requirement. The reason that we don't have savage dungeons is because there is only one healer, and if the healer dies it is a wipe. If the tank dies, its not necessarily a wipe, and if DPS die, its fine. Having only one healer would make savage dungeons harder than savage raids at times, and the requirement of a good healer specifically would add a lot of pressure to healers, and ruin the jobs reputation. Remember garuda story mode (pre-nerf) when you had a new healer?

[Leanna]

It's not a stupid reason to kick someone when they're LEECHING. :0

Anyone who purposely doesn't contribute at all to the ultimate goal of "kill the enemies" is leeching.

Well, add to the leeching category the tanks who can't handle the aggro and the DDs who can't deal 2,5k dps the whole time.

For you the 99% of the players are leechers and deserve to be kicked.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Well, add to the leeching category the tanks who can't handle the aggro and the DDs who can't deal 2,5k dps the whole time.

For you the 99% of the players are leechers and deserve to be kicked.

Let's just kick everyone that doesn't play my way! No one deserves rewards except me! /s

I do agree though that people are being a tad silly about what qualifies for a votekick though.

No, leeching is a WAR that doesn't use stacks, and only does butcher block combo and overwhelm, a PLD who only flashes, a BLM who only uses blizzard 1, a BRD who spams heavy shot etc. Do not equate (intentional, non learning) heal only healers to average players, equate them to bad, lazy players like the archetypes I listed.

I'm pretty sure she's being sarcastic.

[Lambdafish]

Well, add to the leeching category the tanks who can't handle the aggro and the DDs who can't deal 2,5k dps the whole time.

For you the 99% of the players are leechers and deserve to be kicked.

No, leeching is a WAR that doesn't use stacks, and only does butcher block combo and overwhelm, a PLD who only flashes, a BLM who only uses blizzard 1, a BRD who spams heavy shot etc. Do not equate (intentional, non learning) heal only healers to average players, equate them to bad, lazy players like the archetypes I listed.

[Gemina]

Again once your comfortable with healer you can usually figure out the skill level of your tank within a couple minutes of the fight and you still can dps but just a bit less then you would with a good tank unless they literally cant hate. Although I have dps in dungeons and I was pulling hate with holy and its still pretty easy to keep your self alive because enemy's hit for so little damage.

The only reasonable excuse to hold onto Benediction is your learning a fight and almost positive your going to need to use it otherwise its a waste of your best healing OGCD.

My comfort healing in this game is instance-based. It changes from group to group. If a tank Leeroys before I can get buffs up, it is instantly going to put me in an uncomfortable situation, and my DPS will come later. Tanks that wait for buffs, and are patient enough to make sure everyone is on the same page will increase my comfort level greatly. It is with tanks like these that I have noticed my DPS output is so much higher.

If you're pulling hate with Holy, you probably should stop casting it. You're not doing anybody any favors tanking as a healer. Your heals can't sustain you if too many mobs are on you. The damage isn't as little as you claim. A tank dropped on me just the other day in Pharos Sirius. I have fully augmented IW gear, which is way over-geared for this dungeon. Despite this, each mob was hitting for around 600 damage, and there were 3-4 of them. This translates to 1800-2400 damage every 2-3 seconds. With just a little over 6k HP and weak physical defense, trash mobs will drop a healer quick. That is without mention that your spells will likely all be interrupted.

As for benediction, the only reason any healer needs to hold on to it is, it is at their discretion to use it. Seriously, that is it. It is indeed very DPS convenient, but it can also save a situation about to turn really bad. Each side of this coin has a just argument to either use/abuse or hold onto bene.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

It doesn't matter how busy they make the healer, even if they added more debuffs,damage etc. A good healer will still look for other openings and ways to push their job further.

[Lambdafish]

It doesn't matter how busy they make the healer, even if they added more debuffs,damage etc. A good healer will still look for other openings and ways to push their job further.

Which is a GOOD THING. Tanks find ways to push DPS in raids by having complex stance swapping, but not stance swapping often doesn't make you a bad tank, not using your DPS skills and cooldowns does, healers going above and beyond to squeeze a bit more out of their rotation is nothing new. Healers should still have more to do besides DPS when they aren't direct healing (even if it involves more healer mechanics).

[ErryK]

SE should just lock Cleric Stance in synched dungeons/raids etc..
- done with those "complains"
- done with those unjustified Vote-kicks, because some people want a run a few mins faster
- done with dramas about it!

But you said

If some people can dps and healing, fine, its THERE gameplay not mine o_O

So what about my $15? Is yours worth more than mine because you refuse to DPS but I prefer to DPS while also healing?

Also, that shot about it not being expected, that's cute.