Is DPS'ing as a Healer Vote Kickable?

[bloodSp3c]

ya'll still bickering over this topic! lol

[Yeol]

If a tank needs Apoc, then they need to RE-examine their CD rotation. Otherwise it's just useless and excessive mitigation that would've been better spent dealing more dps, since even a half second delay in the gcd is a dps loss.

So even if used at a large pull when you are just running behind the tank is a dps loss? Good to know.

[Nixxe]

So even if used at a large pull when you are just running behind the tank is a dps loss? Good to know.

I suppose it would be, although a negligible one, since you could cast Scathe with it instead.

[vigioX-Sun]

I don't think a healer should be kick for doing DPS or no.
But saying that healers should only heal an that's it sounds like the words of an unskilled healer.
But again it always depends on the group, Bad tanks an DPS will keep a healer busy 24/7
Good tanks/DPS will leave a lot of room for a healer to dps.

[Ash_]

Oh how I am glad to be on a JP server where these types of arguments don't exist. If a heal just wants to heal? No problem. They want to DPS? Great.

The only content that I need to full time heal myself is final form diablos in DS if I'm in group B... because derplanders. Everywhere.

[TaleraRistain]

Oh how I am glad to be on a JP server where these types of arguments don't exist. If a heal just wants to heal? No problem. They want to DPS? Great.

The only content that I need to full time heal myself is final form diablos in DS if I'm in group B... because derplanders. Everywhere.

LOL I dunno my data center groups still keep me pretty busy throughout that raid I love it, though. I'm a healer who dps's because we have downtime. I'd rather have less downtime and more to do in my main role.

[ElHeggunte]

What is wrong with healer DPS without using Cleric Stance in an instance? It's still DPS, and the healer is 'always casting' in that case.

This has grown into such a long thread that I may have overlooked it, but has anyone really been arguing specifically about the use of Cleric Stance or is this something you keep asking as a "gotcha" question?

And I personally said a few pages back that DPSing outside of CS is better than not DPSing at all even if it's not very efficient.

[Saito_S]

This has grown into such a long thread that I may have overlooked it, but has anyone really been arguing specifically about the use of Cleric Stance or is this something you keep asking as a "gotcha" question?

And I personally said a few pages back that DPSing outside of CS is better than not DPSing at all even if it's not very efficient.

Yep. In keeping with my repeated insistence that someone who is legit trying, but is struggling for whatever reason (new, anxiety, disability/limitation, whatever) is a totally different story than someone who just can't be arsed, I will absolutely say that if someone wants to try some DPS'ing as a healer, to expand their skillset and do something with that downtime, but they want to just keep Cleric's off, at least initially, then hey, go for it. Putting in the effort is a huge part of this - someone who fits the above description, who is trying their best but doesn't really do much DPS or keeps Cleric's off, will get a lot more respect for me even if they aren't able to put out much DPS, than someone who is experienced and fully comfortable with their role, and literally just stands around or dances when no healing is required because "healers shouldn't DPS!"

It's not about demanding perfect play from everyone at all times - not something I'd be able to demand anyway, given that I'm far from a great NIN or anything else myself. It's about effort, attitude, and the fact that it really is not okay for 3/4s of the party to have to work much harder than 1/4 for no other reason than "because you're a healer."

[Nighthawk4]

Absolutely not!!

The Healer is free to use any ability they choose, as long as they keep the rest alive.

The only reason people should be kicked are things like AFK, Disconnected or maybe abusive, I think.

People grouped up with strangers need to be more friendly IMHO. It is just a game after all.

I seem to recall I got kicked once because I selected "Greed" for some loot. My character had that class as well as the active one, so it was a perfectly usable item. Nobody else in the Group was active in the relevant class. I have seen plenty of others do the same - although I don't do that any more.

[Nighthawk4]

I have seen instances where I was on as a DPS and the Healer died and either my DPS Job included healing ability (like SMN I think) or I had one of the healing tasks as a secondary. I managed to keep the rest alive until the Healer got back. On one occasion I even raised the Healer.

Of course, these are bonuses. My main task was as a DPS. However, if the Healer drops and the rest of us just shrug and say "not my job" then we all end up dead.

I think we should treat it as if we were a real Team (which we are of course). Therefore, we will all be prepared to do anything required to keep ourselves and our comrades alive and get the job done.