A reason Final Coil is a better raid tier than Creator Savage is T9 requirement

[Xyno]

Everyone of every skill level has the right to be able to do all the content (even those blm's that use a blizzard rotation >.> )

In unsync mode- yes, but NOT in actual or even not after the nerf. Only in UNSYNC mode such players have the right to clean the content if they are tooooo lowskilled to play in a proper way. The reward must be gained through the EFFORT, not through the FACEROLL. If you don't make any effort, you cant gain the reward. It is a GLOBAL RULE

For such low skilled players FF has lot of simple and casual content to get a gear

[AmalonStar]

What I'm saying here is you get the ppl that say 'the content is too hard' so SE nerfs it some then you get the ppl that say 'the content is too easy'. The problem SE is looking at is do they make harder content or easier, the ppl complaining it's too hard will quit playing if they can't do all the content which leads to loss of subs for SE. Then you have the ppl saying it's too easy and a bunch quit because of that and SE still looses subs.

It's a catch 22 what do they do? No matter what they try ppl aren't happy with them on one side it the other. The aspect that everyone has the 'right' to be able to play all content regardless of skill lv comes from trying to put everyone on a equal lv where no one person is better than another, yes skill lv's will always be different. I don't like the attitude of 'I'm better than you' as the person looks down their nose at you.

[AmalonStar]

In unsync mode- yes, but NOT in actual or even not after the nerf. Only in UNSYNC mode such players have the right to clean the content if they are tooooo lowskilled to play in a proper way. The reward must be gained through the EFFORT, not through the FACEROLL. If you don't make any effort, you cant gain the reward. It is a GLOBAL RULE

For such low skilled players FF has lot of simple and casual content to get a gear

I agree with you, the problem tho is the low skilled players feel they have a right to the same gear the skilled players are able to get without putting in the effort to get it.

I'm sorry if I seem kinda up and down on things, I fight with myself over keeping everyone on the same equal lv and recognizing that those that are more skilled and deserve the hard earned gear the low skilled won't work for.

[Xyno]

The aspect that everyone has the 'right' to be able to play all content regardless of skill lv comes from trying to put everyone on a equal lv where no one person is better than another, yes skill lv's will always be different. I don't like the attitude of 'I'm better than you' as the person looks down their nose at you.

Being able to ENTER the dungeon and to get THE REWARD from the dungeon- it is TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. I can agree, that all the players no matter their skill level have the right to enter ANY TYPE of the content to try to clear it, but GETTING THE REWARD- it must be the right only of those players, who made an EFFORT to get the reward. Players, who can play only in a rolface mode have NO RIGHT to get the reward in the actual time

After the HALF-YEAR nerf of the actual content- ok, go and try to clear, but if you not good to clear it in actual- don't ask to nerf.

[AmalonStar]

When the current expert dungeons got released I found both if them far too easy. And at the time my ilvl was just over the minimum requirement to run them. Like I'm talking big pulls being done and the mobs dropping far too easily and not having a single wipe at all.

I haven't done any of the savage content because I feel I'm not geared well enough for those, comparing it to the coil and I just haven't had the time to gear myself properly but I suspect it's a similar thing there on difficulty from what I've been hearing.

I've been starting to find the time to gear myself better but for the longest time I've been always a set of tombs gear weaker than I want to be. Last time I was able to gear myself fully before new gear came out was with the ilvl 200-210 gear.

[nekuxdesu]

But the thing is you're asking for barriers just for there to be more barriers. If you want your raid groups to be people that have only cleared A1S-A8S you have the option to do that by checking the achievements of people that join. Heck you don't even have to go that far, you can even use xivlogs to check. Why are you asking to limit other players just so you have to do a little less work on making your static?

[AmalonStar]

Xyno like I said I do agree with you on this. The ppl that put the effort in for the top gear deserve it, the ones that won't work for it don't deserve to have that gear.

I laughed at the ppl complaining that the steps of faith fight before hw was too hard to do and that was after the nerf. They went wide eyed when I told them what it was like before the nerf.

[AmalonStar]

But the thing is you're asking for barriers just for there to be more barriers. If you want your raid groups to be people that have only cleared A1S-A8S you have the option to do that by checking the achievements of people that join. Heck you don't even have to go that far, you can even use xivlogs to check. Why are you asking to limit other players just so you have to do a little less work on making your static?

It's not just that, the fact ppl are even able to skip phases on new raid content shows just how easy the content is. If ppl are having difficulty doing the new raid content shows they need to work of their skill lv and are holding others back from getting something that is challenging.

[Xyno]

But the thing is you're asking for barriers just for there to be more barriers. If you want your raid groups to be people that have only cleared A1S-A8S you have the option to do that by checking the achievements of people that join. Heck you don't even have to go that far, you can even use xivlogs to check. Why are you asking to limit other players just so you have to do a little less work on making your static?

The game itself has almost nothing for control or measuring the players performance. Do we have in-game parser? No. Do we have special checkboxes like "only a8s clearers can join the party"? No, we havnt. We have only the side services like ACT and FFLOGS, but the game ITSELF must have instruments for measuring

[nekuxdesu]

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None of what you said pertains to anything I said. Content being relatively easy is another subject entirely. Also I don't recall people skipping phases with A5S-A8S gear in A9S-A12S but I might be wrong as I took a lengthy break. A history lesson would be good. https://i.yuki.la/v/1456789891304.png

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Stone, Sky, Sea? I mean personally I'd rather squeenix embraced addons but I can see why they don't but I'm not sure how this is an argument when such tools are so widely available and easily accessible. No one ""seriously" "raiding"" wouldnt be using stuff anyways.
And like I said, why are you asking for barriers to be put into place when you can pick and choose who stays in your party by checking cheevos? Please read my post, I implore you.