1.0 player says "Expert Roulette" is a brick wall

[Atoli]

Old content is in leveling roulette, 50 roulette, 60 roulette and so on.
Old trials are in Khloe. Old raids give the best time to light ratio. Old 24-man gives relic items. Literally no old content is dead and needs to be "brought back to life" by putting the highest endgame currency in it.

I can clear Sastasha in 2-3 min (already do that for Khloe anyways). You say you want to avoid a routine, but all that would do is get everyone to just farm Sastasha instead because it will only take half an hour to cap tomes that way.

I'm sorry but all you are saying just sounds incredibly missinformed. You just came back, how about you try actually doing things first (you know, other things, not expert roulette) before you complain about the lack of options, when there's a nearly unlimited number of options out there.

And that's not even counting that there IS NO REASON TO HAVE LORE GEAR AT ALL if you are not actually doing content that requires it. If you ONLY do below 60 dungeons, you don't have any need for ilvl 260/270 gear, so just don't bother getting it at all. If you do lvl 60 content, pretty much everything DOES give you the currency, so there is absolutely nothing wrong with the system.

[Astyrah]

The problem is i'm trying to *avoid* a routine, and my attempts to "mix it up" are not rewarding the amount of tomes worthy of the time invested.

I want to play a video game to enjoy it, I dont want a second job.

The reason being, is when "new" content is added "old" content suffers a hit to rewards, yet do not reflect amount of time completed in relation to tomes rewarded, which in turns to said content's "death."

This is the point of the thread.

Renew old content by granting tomes in relation to time invested.

while i did say routine in my post, it isn't really a routine and it's more of a string random nothings and what i happened to feel like doing at the time. well the weekly savage is the only routine in my "routine" and that doesnt take more than a few hours (less than 1.5 hours if queues are good in RF) depending on queue times - and that's for the whole week.

as for renewing old content, i think they're fine as is and even if you give them rewards and incentives for 60/max level jobs/class you wouldn't be spamming sastasha level sync'd (and let's face it they wont let you have the tomes if you unsync it) that would really be boring and we already have leveling and mentor roulette to help the queues for 1-59 dungeons

[ManuelBravo]

I have been playing quite a bit this past month, and I only capped tomes 1 week out of 3 so far. The week I capped I spammed the Alexander story fights, and 4-5 expert roulette duneons to get some gear/cap scripture. (Expert roulette like 1-2 times that week, but had to do the dungeons on top of the roulette to unlock roulette in the first place.)


This week so far I have done expert roulette twice and already halfway passed my required 3.0 dungeons for the Machinist relic, and not even halfway to capping scripture.

Aside from scripture I have only been able to buy 4-5 pieces of lore gear from all the dungeons i have done.

Personally I feel if you play the game, doing dungeons in a level synced party you should never "have" to do expert. Personally I feel expert roulette should be for people on limited time, and should only have to do it 2-3 times a week.

5 times a week to cap tomes, and get a handful of other tomes in way over the top, especially when only 2-3 dungeons compile the list for the roulette.

Not only is this repetitive, but also kills "old" content. Again..

Imagine, if every single dungeon in the entire game gave half the tome reward as the two "expert roulette" dungeons.

Sastasha level 15 dungeon gave 50 Poetics, 40 Lore, 25 Scipture
Sohm Al Hard level 60 gave 100 Poetics, 80 Lore, 50 Scripture


Imagine how "undead" all the "old" content would be.

Yopshi did mention that in fan fare and goal is to speed things up by making dungeons range between 15-20 minutes. You have weekly tails book now that gives tomes and POD if you want less than 15 min and do kianna weapons. Sounds tome you play on occasion. If you don't have enough time on your hands I can understand your situation. I work, go to school, have a relationship, and make time for my self. Each gamer has their own way and on a bad day I play maybe 2hours tops. It's all about how you spend your time. Hopefully you have a good FC or friends to help. I usually solo being it makes it a bit more challenging to me. SE has done a great job making this game friendly for all types, unfortunately it's not for everyone. Give it a chance by doing at least min the main story line. It's easy , fun, and if you have expansion you can get min. a level 60 just by doing main story and quest if you don't want to grind. Old content maybe slowing down, it's getting nerfed, Zodiac relics for example, I raids as well maybe a bit slower but now are do able with right group from an FC. To be fair it's way easier than it was before. An example is people asking to Nerf the Zodiac wep. quest line. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...08#post4027808 it's been nerfed sooo much it and people still complain. But hey no disrespect everyone has their own play style and progress. But in this case I blame the player not the product.

[Astyrah]

Why are the people responding to this thread completely against this idea?

actually im not against it at all, but i don't think it's needed and i wouldn't care if it came to be

we're all just telling you that capping scriptures isn't going to require a schedule or a routine - you can just do it casually.

for example... say for tonight/today/afternoon do aquapolis with friends who happen to be online at the same time, feeling like helping a newbie? queue mentor roulette, feel like killing a primal? trial roulette, after duty you spawn back in azys lla (or wherever) and just then and there you stumble upon hunt shouts freshly discovered so you head over there and ask for party invite all of these are just examples and they all reward tomestones. the only routine from that is thinking what you should be doing for that day/night

[bounddreamer]

I think the point we're trying to make, and you're failing to listen, is that it's raining scripture and you're asking for a hurricane.

[Atoli]

Point still stands. Endgame currency is for people who do content that require endgame gear. If you only want to do Sastasha and Dusk Vigil, you don't need lvl 60 gear. Lvl 60 content throws tons of endgame currency at you. Can't believe you are actually asking to get the highest gear in the game from the lowest content available and do not see what is wrong with that...

[Daniolaut]

To conclude...

I was trying to play "catch up" for my main, so that i could get back into doing extreme primals pre 4.0 possibly.

But the main drive I have to play the game is to get the 3.0 relics on the 3.0 jobs. As my final goal for this game is to have all 99's and all relics respective to their expansions release.

Its quite difficult to do both of those at once, even with the extra free time someone like me has. (I only have to work 25 hours a week at most.)

but...

There are things that deter me from resubscribing, and I have noted those in my other posts and threads.

Atoli gave me yet another reason to not re-subscribe. So thank you.



A genuine thanks to anyone trying to offer tips who were being genuine, and at least trying to comprehend.

[Canadane]

The reason being, is when "new" content is added "old" content suffers a hit to rewards, yet do not reflect amount of time completed in relation to tomes rewarded, which in turns to said content's "death."

But the level 60 dungeons in the roulette keep the exact same rewards. New dungeons cone out with higher rewards. Expert keeps the sane rewards. Nothing is being taken away and if anything, when new content comes out its easier than ever to cap.

[Daniolaut]

the exact same rewards.

Youre off topic, and while you make a point, its a tiny one in respect to the topic.

Sure since 2.0 back when expert roulette didnt even exist, the cap was like 350, 375 or 400 or whatever, and we were running Amdapor Keep or Wanderer's palace over and over to cap each week, its gotten a good amount better, its still not at a point that makes sense.

Especially because not only do tomes no longer give you max level gear, not only do you have to do either raid to get max level gear (24 man or 8 man raids only) but there are more jobs, and more things to do now.

This means, we are spending only a tiny bit less time doing the same things we've been doing since day one for the "exact same rewards" as you put it, which is still restricting us from doing content that was "dead on arrival."

I'm not saying the tome system is the cause of this content being dead, i'm saying for me its a big contributor. As well as a killer for the entire game for a lot of people.

See:
This thread


So, I ask you now, why is this such a bad idea?

(Honestly Square-Enix is extremely unlikely to read this, which is why i'm not upset if they do or dont anyway cause i'm not even subscribed right now. I got 14 days free, but i'd like to think I will come back to a better game when I do decide to come back. Most likely which will be in small spurts between each expansion. (pending its improvement, dependent on how long i stay each time (not patch, each expansion) as I have been.)

The game is fun, and all of that jazz, but if you play regularly and cant see that people have left the game in droves, nor willing to entertain simple ideas that could enhance the gameplay, i dont know what else to say. I pretty much have beaten this do death by now.

I am just a bit disappointed 14 days was a long as I could bear to stay this time. The breaks are getting longer, and the time online is getting shorter.

[Besame]

I run potd for tomes. if not for it, I would unsub.