So anyone else tired of grinding tomes weekly for gear?

[Daniolaut]

Just call me a *Necromancer*

Cause i'm resurrecting this thread to add and say this:

I have come back to this game after a 2-3 month break, but because of the design of expert roulette and tomes, I doubt I will resubscribe.

Since 2013, when this game released I have been doing expert roulette.

This is the only solid method to obtaining tomes, and I have very low motivation to do it, which means i'm very unlikely to resubscribe.

Imagine, if every single dungeon in the entire game gave half the tome reward as the two "expert roulette" dungeons.

Sastasha level 15 dungeon gave 50 Poetics, 40 Lore, 25 Scipture
Sohm Al Hard level 60 gave 100 Poetics, 80 Lore, 50 Scripture


Imagine how "undead" all the "old" content would be.

People wouldnt mind doing old content. It would be rewarding and you could always accomplish 2 tasks at once, allowing players to do more content besides expert.

People with limited time could do things other than expert roulette
and
People with a lot of time would never have to do expert roulette.


Why in the world of Hydaelyn Earth Universe of Vana'diel Eos, Gaia is the only viable option to obtain tomes expert roulette, and all the other content driven to death by lack of reward?!

Makes zero sense tome... (i just typo'ed that instead of saying "to me" but I think it fits so i'm not going to fix it.)




Not only would giving tomes to all dungeons mean people actually have options, content doesnt die,

but when story content is released youre not forced to do it day one to unlock expert roulette so you can start getting tomes again,

which allows you to do story content on your own time/leisure.


All the people I enjoyed party'ing with also have a "FFXI" mindset and have all quit the game, leading me to basically have to play solo.

I do like the Normal>Hard>Extreme>Savage style though. Just dont like the "tome" set up.

[NolLacnala]

This is the only solid method to obtaining tomes

Nope. Been capping just on pvp since Garo went live. Haven't even bothered to unlock the new dungeons, lol

[Daniolaut]

Nope. Been capping just on pvp since Garo went live. Haven't even bothered to unlock the new dungeons, lol

I wasnt clear I guess.

How many times do you have to do PvP to cap?

How long is your wait time each time to get into said PvP?

Now with those questions out of the way, if youre trying to get tomes out of the way, so you can say, farm up a relic, will you want to do PvP to cap tomes, or queue up for expert?

Consider only wanting to get tomes out of the way, so you can do something else.

Basically what i was trying to say, is there arent a lot of options that arent significantly more time consuming in relation to expert roulette to obtain tomes, if one is trying to focus on something that doesnt give tomes.

[LunarEmerald]

I wasnt clear I guess.

How many times do you have to do PvP to cap?

How long is your wait time each time to get into said PvP?

Now with those questions out of the way, if youre trying to get tomes out of the way, so you can say, farm up a relic, will you want to do PvP to cap tomes, or queue up for expert?

Consider only wanting to get tomes out of the way, so you can do something else.

Basically what i was trying to say, is there arent a lot of options that arent significantly more time consuming in relation to expert roulette to obtain tomes, if one is trying to focus on something that doesnt give tomes.

Frontlines gives 20 scripture whether you win or lose and the queue time is less than 5 minutes due to the Garo event.

If you're wanting to do it as quickly as possible, it's better than spamming dungeons. Doing expert once in a day is more leisurely though.

[Daniolaut]

Frontlines gives 20 scripture whether you win or lose and the queue time is less than 5 minutes due to the Garo event.

Yeah i get that you can get scripture from PvP i'm not trying to do PvP. I'm trying to do something else.


If i was trying to cap tomes and focusing on doing PvP I would be having a blast. In fact there was a point in time that I was doing this and was having a blast and telling everyone to do PvP instead of Expert Roulette, cause.... expert roulette sucks.

The thing is, if all you want to do is get tomes out of the way (because they are such a throw away item) so you can get to something you do enjoy, that perhaps doesnt give tomes, the "fastest" way to go about it is expert roulette, which equates to 4-5 times a week, for 15-30 minutes per queue+wait. Youre telling me I can get more tomes doing pvp faster than that? If so thank you so much, I will sign back in, re-subscribe and start doing PvP again.

But... then...

what happens after this "Garo" event of which you speak? Its right back to expert roulette again right?




Oh... another thing, is the wait times for PvP right now 5 minutes or less (as you stated) in the morning? Because I play in the morning, not at night or "peak" because I work during "peak" times.

[NolLacnala]

I wasnt clear I guess.

Incorrect. You made the assumption that I was defending this trash tier tome grind. I've been complaining about tomes, tome cap, and tome grinding since prior to roulettes even existing, when we were forced to brainlessly spam Amdapor Keep. There are not enough ways to cap, and if you're subjecting yourself to relic, you're stuck in ARF and a1s.

As to your questions, pvp queues are 1-30 seconds, and if you do pvp roulette daily, that's 280 10minute scrip, with 20 scrip per after, so another 8-9 matches to cap. Win or lose, you still get scrip.

Meanwhile, in auto-pilot "Expert" you risk getting one or more Captain i200 weapon who turn the 15-20 minute run into an hour. Which happens every time unless you're full premade.

Yoshi gets his time out of you one way or another.

[Ashaylin]

So here's my question.

Why should I put in the effort to grind for tomes and gears, when I could just wait, not play the game, and then be rewarded for that 3 months down the line when I can get everything I want for less effort?

I could make my brain bleed from trying to get a tome weapon within 7 weeks, OR I could NOT do it, use the grinding time to play something more fun, and later down the line, spend little to no effort to get that same item.

I feel no incentive to work towards something, when that something is quickly invalidated or becomes meaningless pretty quickly.
When I'm being rewarded for not playing the game, that is what I will do.

[Felis]

So here's my question.

Why should I put in the effort to grind for tomes and gears, when I could just wait, not play the game, and then be rewarded for that 3 months down the line when I can get everything I want for less effort?

Why waiting? You can get easy the 3rd best equip now already

[Bourne_Endeavor]

So here's my question.

Why should I put in the effort to grind for tomes and gears, when I could just wait, not play the game, and then be rewarded for that 3 months down the line when I can get everything I want for less effort?

I could make my brain bleed from trying to get a tome weapon within 7 weeks, OR I could NOT do it, use the grinding time to play something more fun, and later down the line, spend little to no effort to get that same item.

I feel no incentive to work towards something, when that something is quickly invalidated or becomes meaningless pretty quickly.
When I'm being rewarded for not playing the game, that is what I will do.

It depends on what incentivizes you within the game. I, for one, wouldn't want to wait nearly four months before having adequate gear to step into Savage. Therefore, tomestones are worth the time investment, especially since it is incredibly easy to cap. On the other hand, if you are content waiting to try harder content or don't care to at all, then obviously the grind has little appeal. But that isn't necessarily a fault of the game. You simply aren't motivated to compete to the extent other players are. That being said, I do think the system needs some adjustments.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Snip.

Farming 24 man raids and PvP for DPS relic lights and lore tomes for my third relic, and before that I was farming 8 man normals and PvP for tank lights and tomes. Average wait time, about 2 minutes as deeps, instant as tank, and I typically have scrip tomes capped on the first day. Expert actually isn't that great for lore tomes, in my experience. Once I cut that from my routine, I've been gaining tomes significantly quicker.

Efficient? Probably not, but then again, this is a game, I don't play for efficiency I play to enjoy myself. o3o So if I get tired/bored of running a particular thing, I just switch to something else. The gear ain't going anywhere, so why rush?