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    Alacran's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn View Post
    Diversity and Exclusivity are two things that you are getting VERY confused with one another...
    I will concede that my use of the word was in error. My own view of diversity being narrow in the scope of only encompassing the inclusion of different cultural themes. however in saying that i feel Exclusivity is not inherently wrong, particularly in terms of a chosen video game avatar.

    Where would this end i ask you? Why not let Dark Knight armor be used by Whit Mages, why not let Dragoons use Great Axes, is it fair that my Ninja can't use a Spear? Asking for one set an expansion that celebrates the the different races would not be the breaking point you make it out to be. It may even help should it allow for more of equal distribution of the races.

    The Hellsguard Roegadyn are so very interesting, steeped in fantastic lore about their view points and beliefs, originators of the Warrior job, the believe they guard the the gates hell and use martial and magic teachings to do so. Yet all we hear of is Sharlayan scholars and the Magi wars. Why should Hellsguard not have gear that represents them and that history? There are so few Roegadyn out there as it is.

    The Duskwight have lived for centuries in underground caves, one could argue there are entire cities under Erozea little mentioned and all but forgotten. The most we see being the Gelmoran ruins... Of which there are no gear sets attributed to them?


    Highlanders were the first of the Hyur to reach Eorzea. Their name derives from their long tradition of building strongholds in the mountains. Compared to their Midland brethren, the Highlanders are noticeably larger in build. They adhere to the doctrine of the Twelve, and are devout followers of Rhalgr, the Destroyer. Ancient Highlander practices of tattooing and tooth filing are very much alive today. Of late, Highlanders have become an increasingly rare sight in Eorzea, their number represented almost exclusively by those who fled Ala Mhigo after its fall, and now work in other city-states as mercenaries and sellswords.

    With a spiritual tradition dating back to times of yore, Highlanders are known to sport wood-carved talismans woven into their underclothes, and votive tattoos adorning their bodies. While some find Highlander aesthetic sensibilities crude, one cannot deny their uniqueness and the manner in which they evoke unadulterated strength of nature. Such ruggedness can also been seen in their preferred fare - Highlanders often dine on simple yet impressive dishes such as massive aldgoat steaks, seared perfectly to seal the natural juices. Overcooking is taboo in Highlander kitchens, to the degree that some consider them raw meat eaters.

    (Great break down of Highlander culture)
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    I have said it before, I know i'm part of the minority here, i understand i'm on the losing side, maybe that's why i like highlanders so much.
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alacran View Post
    With a spiritual tradition dating back to times of yore, Highlanders are known to sport wood-carved talismans woven into their underclothes, and votive tattoos adorning their bodies.
    Oh, I didn't know this. Probably because nothing in the game insinuates it... If we get more character customization I hope Highlanders will have the most (or only) body tattoo options. It's only fair since they lack options like tail size and limbal rings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alacran View Post
    Where would this end i ask you? Why not let Dark Knight armor be used by Whit Mages, why not let Dragoons use Great Axes, is it fair that my Ninja can't use a Spear?
    Early in 1.0 anyone could wear any gear. I still have a couple pieces of dated gear. I wish I had kept more of it but I didn't know glamour would be a thing back then. And they're already doing stuff like taking the Kirimu coat look from being bard only and giving it to everyone in a glamour piece, so I don't see why they couldn't do that with more gear.

    With weapons being tied directly to class it's pretty obvious why different jobs can't use any weapon, they would have to remake that entire system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    Early in 1.0 anyone could wear any gear. I still have a couple pieces of dated gear. I wish I had kept more of it but I didn't know glamour would be a thing back then. And they're already doing stuff like taking the Kirimu coat look from being bard only and giving it to everyone in a glamour piece, so I don't see why they couldn't do that with more gear.

    With weapons being tied directly to class it's pretty obvious why different jobs can't use any weapon, they would have to remake that entire system.
    What i meant in regard to the armor is the Artifact job specific gear sets. I was also in 1.0 and did indeed benefit from a very few pieces gear that i still have on some alts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alacran View Post
    What i meant in regard to the armor is the Artifact job specific gear sets. I was also in 1.0 and did indeed benefit from a very few pieces gear that i still have on some alts.
    A certain level of exclusivity based on iconic class/job imagery is ok. Like the blue lvl 50 class sets (from class quests) for example. But those are very specific sets designed for very specific classes based on years of iconic designs for those classes in many FF games. Race exclusivity has no logical reason behind it. Sets that are class exclusive should be the kind of gear you find in the raids or from class specific quests, not generic tome bought gear, dungeon gear, crafted gear or vendor gear.

    But when you're talking about more generic gear like the hempen sets, the racial starter sets, or most of the DoW/DoM restricted gear from 1-60, exclusivity stifles creativity and diversity. For example, there's an outfit I want to put together but on a healer I can't finish it because the perfect set of boots are rog/nin only. Now these are just generic boots, not iconic class specific gear. They are just simple leather boots that go above the ankle, but below the knee, are tight, are thankfully devoid of excess ornamentation, and aren't high heeled. These boots are the Griffin Leather Boots of Scouting, generic crafted boots that don't have any logical reason to be class/specific. But nothing equivalent exists for the healing classes. Why?

    As I said before, too much exclusivity stifles creativity and diversity. Even if most things can't be set to "all classes", it can't hurt to have more shared appearances between classes. A good example of this already existing in game is the Holy Rainbow Shirt of <insert affix here> of which there is one for everyone. Its the same exact model for every class, only the default colors differ (and a little dye fixes that right up). We need more gear to be like THAT. Not everything has to be like that, but much more than we currently have to be sure. And especially generic clothing items like hempen, racial starter gear, and basic footwear.
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    Last edited by Nicodemus_Mercy; 02-09-2017 at 08:35 PM.